Quite happy with my GroupWise server
yyuko@... | 03/08/07
|

Can't say we were as lucky
voska | 03/08/07
|

Could agree more
dharken@... | 03/08/07
|
Microsoft's the easy one
voska | 03/08/07
|

Could have been a lot easier
mark.hill.smt | 03/08/07
|

I agree
xxn1927 | 03/08/07
|

Routers, Switches?
communications@... | 03/08/07
|
 
Yes, Routers and DSL Modems and such!
ThumbsUp2 | 03/09/07
|
DST problems
pmarsh | 03/08/07
|

DST problems
auntyspam | 03/08/07
|
 
Spaghetti code
mv520 | 03/08/07
|
How can MS keep getting away with this?
LittleGuy | 03/08/07
|

This is quality
bportlock | 03/08/07
|
 
'CAUSE THAT'S QUALITY - THE MS WAY
sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
|
  
Try turning your CAPSLOCK off...
bportlock | 03/08/07
|
   
A Polite way to ask is......
NatureRules65 | 03/08/07
|
    
Local rules apply
bportlock | 03/08/07
|
  
WoW
xxn1927 | 03/08/07
|

They get away with it because YOU WON'T CHANGE!
mlindl | 03/08/07
|
 
INDEED I DO
sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
|
 
Define "quality"
John Zern | 03/08/07
|
  
RE: Define "quality"
Protagonistic | 03/08/07
|
  
Define "quality"
uM0p ap!sdn | 03/08/07
|
  
Linux users don't have to be 'programmers' like Windows users.
nomorems | 03/08/07
|
   
The Apple zealot statement of the year.
xuniL_z | 03/09/07
|
  
I'm not attempting to define "quality"...
bportlock | 03/08/07
|
   
On reflection....
bportlock | 03/08/07
|
  
OMG!! I'm not a programmer
martinfam@... | 03/08/07
|
  
heh?
richvball44 | 03/09/07
|
 
Umm...Could it be LINUX?
dbarr@... | 03/12/07
|
  
Umm...It could be anything (but my money says linux)
litljay | 03/12/07
|

Try reading again
No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/08/07
|
 
he actually added to the topic
linuxoverwindows | 03/08/07
|
 
Try reading again
uM0p ap!sdn | 03/08/07
|

BECAUSE THEY ARE WS MOVERS AND SHAKERS
sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
|

Hang on a sec
arod69 | 03/08/07
|
 
Are you seriously
LittleGuy | 03/08/07
|
 
DST has been adjusted over the years.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
  
The voice of reason!
LittleGuy | 03/08/07
|
  
Oh sure......
DMcAdie | 03/08/07
|
   
You betcha.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
    
So if February suddenly has 42.7 days
gitmo | 03/12/07
|
     
Yes.
osreinstall | 03/15/07
|
   
The DU
danstenzel@... | 03/08/07
|
   
Ummm...well, it appears to me that Microsoft wont spend money for customers
nomorems | 03/08/07
|
  
Timezone edit is an old tool
sbillingsley | 03/08/07
|
   
I have it and a unofficial patch that works great.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
    
Actually
Alzie | 03/08/07
|
     
Thanks
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
  
History? Who studies history anymore?
walterclark@... | 03/09/07
|
   
I study it from time to time.
osreinstall | 03/09/07
|
 
I think...
cashaww | 03/08/07
|
 
RE: Hang on a sec
Protagonistic | 03/08/07
|
 
Microsoft sucks.
nomorems | 03/08/07
|
 
Self-inflicted wounds
Yagotta B. Kidding | 03/08/07
|
 
richvball44 | 03/09/07
|
 
Woow !! -
Technowiz | 03/12/07
|

Re: How can...
justanitguy | 03/08/07
|
 
I don't just have it in for MS, but
LittleGuy | 03/08/07
|
  
Documentation
Yagotta B. Kidding | 03/08/07
|
 
Message has been deleted.
nomorems | 03/08/07
|

All i can say is
SO.CAL Guy | 03/08/07
|

Washington Corruption?
mark_twn2525@... | 03/10/07
|

Washington Corruption?
mark_twn2525@... | 03/10/07
|
Why is this Microsoft's fault?
Kevin Dean | 03/08/07
|

Bureaucratic Experimentation
cef1000@... | 03/08/07
|
 
cutting salaries and benefits
jarchiewells@... | 03/08/07
|
 
Snort...
Cardinal_Bill | 03/08/07
|
 
sure
richvball44 | 03/09/07
|
 
Idiot
murphya@... | 03/09/07
|
  
Idiot?
rsouza@... | 03/09/07
|
 
You do know that...
xuniL_z | 03/09/07
|

Governments acting before understanding
YottaVolt | 03/08/07
|
 
So Congress should check with MS
LittleGuy | 03/08/07
|
  
Not at all...
Heatlesssun1 | 03/08/07
|
   
See note above
LittleGuy | 03/08/07
|
    
i was wondering that too
richvball44 | 03/09/07
|
    
Exactly
red_ragtop | 03/12/07
|
   
Not about money
voska | 03/08/07
|
    
No Such Thing
Ole Man | 03/08/07
|
     
wueeel.
xuniL_z | 03/09/07
|
    
but
richvball44 | 03/09/07
|
   
NO industry needs to be 'consulted'. WE the people control the US.
nomorems | 03/08/07
|
    
Quit while you're ahead
frgough | 03/08/07
|
    
Too Late
Ole Man | 03/08/07
|
    
The truth will set you free...
smdunn | 03/09/07
|
  
Why MS?
justanitguy | 03/08/07
|
   
If you are having trouble with GROUPWISE I would suggest you are an idiot.
nomorems | 03/08/07
|
    
Wrong!!!
3D0G | 03/09/07
|
 
My reply is...
cashaww | 03/08/07
|
 
research the facts before you post
JJohnson@... | 03/08/07
|

Why is this Microsoft's fault?
dforness@... | 03/08/07
|
 
Yeah, that's it. Blame everyone else except the folks who wrote the warez!
nomorems | 03/08/07
|

Disagree
erikjohnson | 03/08/07
|
 
RE: Disagree
gdstark13 | 03/08/07
|
  
Here here!
deramin@... | 03/08/07
|
   
Hello????? So society should be ruled by IT?
nomorems | 03/08/07
|
  
RE: Disagree
erikjohnson | 03/08/07
|
   
RE: Disagree
Lynne's Honey | 03/11/07
|
 
But The Poor Politicians
Ole Man | 03/08/07
|

...because it's completely unnecessary
kevin.cline@... | 03/08/07
|

Blame cannot be fixed on anyone
Insight Driver | 03/08/07
|
 
Gee...Apple had a PC before MS began their 'forced Windows install'.
nomorems | 03/08/07
|
  
because you are a mac user i will
SO.CAL Guy | 03/08/07
|
   
my head hurts
richvball44 | 03/09/07
|
   
because you are a windows user i will
richvball44 | 03/09/07
|
 
"All the procrastinators are now scrambling"
nomorems | 03/08/07
|

Why is it massive?
mds_z | 03/08/07
|
 
Actually
3D0G | 03/09/07
|
  
Either way
swoopee | 03/11/07
|

And this is more than just the US
terrym@... | 03/08/07
|

Because the law was passed in 2005!!!
mathandmetal | 03/08/07
|

Because they can't make (and distribute) a simple change!
cdgoldin | 03/09/07
|

Placing Blame?
DNSB | 03/10/07
|

because their system is spaghetti
cls@... | 03/14/07
|
Exchange and 2007 DST
mcoleman@... | 03/08/07
|
6 months ago...not such a problem
Bob in Atlanta | 03/08/07
|
Myriad?
Narg | 03/08/07
|
I'm in the mon-ey, I'm in the mon-ey
Chad_z | 03/08/07
|

Show me the money
stemcellphone | 03/12/07
|
Another Reason to Avoid Exchange!
brenneman.2@... | 03/08/07
|

Not an MS lover but...
YottaVolt | 03/08/07
|

Exchange - fun, fun, fun with patch-roulette!!
sj_z | 03/09/07
|
The biggest problem is...
ARealist | 03/08/07
|

RE: The biggest problem is...
gdstark13 | 03/08/07
|

Microsoft wants you to think theat hey are ALLLLLLLL that @
nomorems | 03/08/07
|
Another byproduct of the geniuses in Washington!
B.O.F.H. | 03/08/07
|

Credit where credit is due
frgough | 03/08/07
|
 
WHAT ELSE CAN I ADD BRO
sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
|
 
One problem with that
voska | 03/08/07
|
  
Incorrect
frgough | 03/08/07
|
 
The Big Pictchuh
Ole Man | 03/08/07
|
 
INDOCTRINATION
westks | 04/05/07
|

Government needs to check with MS before
LittleGuy | 03/08/07
|
 
He he he
sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
|
  
mickys club
stemcellphone | 03/12/07
|

Amen!
dbarr@... | 03/08/07
|

..
richvball44 | 03/09/07
|

such misplaced blame
westks | 04/05/07
|
The $4,000 joke
jeff.allen@... | 03/08/07
|

Why should Microsoft support EOL software for free?
ye | 03/08/07
|
 
I don't think they should do it for free.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
  
$4000 is for everything, not just Windows.
ye | 03/08/07
|
   
What do you do for retail folks?
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
    
What part of EOL is confusing you?
ye | 03/08/07
|
     
You are being obnoxious
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
     
What's obnoxious is the needless MS bashing.
ye | 03/08/07
|
     
You are, by saying toughsh*t.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
     
Why are you having so much difficult with this?
ye | 03/08/07
|
     
I am not having difficulty with it. Just your attitude.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
     
Take responsibility for YOUR decisions.
ye | 03/08/07
|
     
I did you goof.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
     
You did what?
ye | 03/08/07
|
     
You are a real WinZealot.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
     
Why is it when people defend Microsoft they're...
ye | 03/08/07
|
     
Because you are.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
     
One has to be critical in order to not be a zealot?
ye | 03/08/07
|
     
Another absolute statement.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
     
Accusing people of being a zealot is a last resort...
ye | 03/09/07
|
     
Hey, if the shoe fits, wear it.
osreinstall | 03/09/07
|
     
I'm saying "tough" because...
ye | 03/09/07
|
     
You are mad at the world. Who cares.
osreinstall | 03/09/07
|
     
Why was the scenario absured? And where was...
ye | 03/10/07
|
     
Because you can't have customers unless there is a transaction
osreinstall | 03/10/07
|
 
EOL software should become public domain
LittleGuy | 03/08/07
|
  
Do you mean open source?
ye | 03/08/07
|
   
Public Domain is different from Open Source
maldain | 03/08/07
|
    
I know the difference. What I don't understand is...
ye | 03/08/07
|
 
Why should MS support EOL software?
jeff.allen@... | 03/08/07
|
  
Microsoft Isn't Responsible For Anything
Ole Man | 03/08/07
|
  
Not discussing limited scenarios.
ye | 03/08/07
|
 
What EOL software???
DNSB | 03/10/07
|
The sky is not falling
krschillinger | 03/08/07
|

The sky is not falling (are you sure)
WhoCare$ | 03/08/07
|

Not a good idea...
HBEaker | 03/08/07
|
 
Actaully you can uncheck the automatic adjustment ...
mrlinux | 03/08/07
|
  
I unchecked "Automagically adjust..."
swoopee | 03/11/07
|

Manual Changes?
DNSB | 03/10/07
|
WHY BILL, WHY?
WhoCare$ | 03/08/07
|

Only found out last week?
ceward_z | 03/08/07
|
 
words
dhays | 03/08/07
|
 
Started your updates 6 months ago?
DNSB | 03/10/07
|

To be fair, their website suggests they started deploying this
HypnoToad72 | 03/08/07
|
Amen
arod69 | 03/08/07
|

reality?
sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
|
 
congressites
viztor | 03/08/07
|
Be Realistic!
neil.baker@... | 03/08/07
|
MY GOODNESS!
QueenMama | 03/08/07
|
omgwtfpwned - i cant believe a MS patch dont work
linuxoverwindows | 03/08/07
|

I agree, it's hard to believe
John Zern | 03/08/07
|
of faulty design and unjustifiable costs
Mitch 74 | 03/08/07
|

... not exactly...
kevin.cline@... | 03/08/07
|
You need to do your research before doing any major upgrades!
mike.panagos@... | 03/08/07
|
Blame Congressman Ed Markey of Mass.
rupaa62 | 03/08/07
|

more on morons
johntgraham@... | 03/09/07
|

enough blame to go around
westks | 04/05/07
|
More MS mayhem...
LittleGuy | 03/08/07
|

WTF...
justanitguy | 03/08/07
|
 
Don't see this info anywhere on Zdnet, so I thought
LittleGuy | 03/08/07
|
Why the Surprise?
hoiatl | 03/08/07
|

Isn't it beautiful?
yyuko@... | 03/08/07
|
 
Not Missing Out on Anything
rickk@... | 03/08/07
|
Its YOUR fault
nsmallcomb@... | 03/08/07
|

Finally, a post that cuts through the whining
MowGreen | 03/08/07
|
 
"'Cyberbabies' are everywhere these days"
Ole Man | 03/08/07
|

You're close
frgough | 03/08/07
|

RE: Its YOUR Fault
Lynne's Honey | 03/11/07
|
Tip of iceburg
sysop-dr | 03/08/07
|
This just shows how assinine it is to not have the world on a single time.
Letophoro | 03/08/07
|

Your recommendation is much worse.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
 
Also, who gets to decide
John Zern | 03/08/07
|
  
12 hour?
toadlife | 03/08/07
|
   
Hear, hear!
Linux User 147560 | 03/08/07
|
  
Father Time
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
 
I Know!
TripleII | 03/08/07
|
  
I believe they do that now. Just having some fun with original poster.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
   
Yes, it was completely tongue in cheek (nt)
TripleII | 03/08/07
|
 
There should be only 2 times....
mrlinux | 03/08/07
|
  
I pray to God to stop time so it is easier.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
 
I wasn't being totally serious, but...
Letophoro | 03/08/07
|
  
I hope not.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
   
When all is said and done, more will be said than done. [NT]
swoopee | 03/08/07
|
    
Wise Observation
Ole Man | 03/08/07
|
   
In the immortal words of Homer Simpson...
Letophoro | 03/08/07
|
 
Time sense is based on the sun
voska | 03/08/07
|
  
I thought the ancient Babylonians cipered it in in 6 base.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
  
A whole NINE hours extra? Wow!
bart001fr | 03/12/07
|
  
I HAVE THE SOLUTION
westks | 04/05/07
|

Well designed systems do it that way already
cls@... | 03/08/07
|
 
Simple patch for some items
DNSB | 03/10/07
|
DST
dhays | 03/08/07
|
stop messing with time
corticus | 03/08/07
|
What's wrong with saving a little energy???
adametsu@... | 03/08/07
|

No they don't
dragosani | 03/08/07
|
 
I call BS
ajole | 03/08/07
|
  
You must be wrong....
James T. Kirk | 03/08/07
|
   
Arabs
3D0G | 03/08/07
|
    
Not hard to believe
voska | 03/08/07
|
    
Hmmm...
DNSB | 03/10/07
|
   
Not only that
voska | 03/08/07
|

"saves.... millions of barrels of oil of energy a day
Ole Man | 03/08/07
|

Right now it's theoretical; never mind based off of 30 year old data...
HypnoToad72 | 03/08/07
|
 
Theoretical meaning 30 year old data, attempted 30 years later, will
HypnoToad72 | 03/08/07
|
 
yes
richvball44 | 03/10/07
|

I really dont think so.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|
Of Mice, Men, and Politicians..
wlwhited@... | 03/08/07
|

Numbers
TripleII | 03/08/07
|
 
In answer to your question
yyuko@... | 03/08/07
|
 
DST is a fallacy period
wlwhited@... | 03/08/07
|
  
You raise valid points
TripleII | 03/08/07
|
   
no end of the world but is irritating
voska | 03/09/07
|
  
A great cartoon...
kenwd0elq | 03/08/07
|
  
not entirely correct
richvball44 | 03/10/07
|

Your figures are wrong
yyuko@... | 03/08/07
|
 
"Wrong Numbers"
wlwhited@... | 03/08/07
|
Microsoft Problems with DST--It's why I use a Mac
Robert Zogby | 03/08/07
|

So did Microsoft
John Zern | 03/08/07
|

I guess you missed this little tidbit
NonZealot | 03/08/07
|
 
Some folks missed the memo.
osreinstall | 03/08/07
|

Overly Simpleton user
yyuko@... | 03/08/07
|
 
I feel so much better now..
wlwhited@... | 03/08/07
|

They aren't talking about issues with stand-alone systems.
ajole | 03/08/07
|

So go to a Mac Forum
TerryNT | 03/08/07
|
 
So this is a Windows forum?
Fred Fredrickson | 03/10/07
|
 
Industry specific???
DNSB | 03/10/07
|
$4000 Patch?
pritchet1 | 03/08/07
|

Where can I get the patch for OS X 10.2?
ye | 03/08/07
|
 
Man that Linux powered Google is something else!
Linux User 147560 | 03/08/07
|
  
No it's not. I want an OFFICIAL Apple patch.
ye | 03/08/07
|
   
what Windows 2000 users can do
3D0G | 03/08/07
|
 
Open System Prefs &
j.m.galvin | 03/08/07
|
  
Ummm....
3D0G | 03/08/07
|
   
Yeah! I screwed up
j.m.galvin | 03/08/07
|
  
ROFL
yyuko@... | 03/08/07
|
  
And this is a patch how?
ye | 03/08/07
|
  
Earlier Mac OS were easier
DNSB | 03/10/07
|
 
How about for my Apple II?
NonZealot | 03/08/07
|
  
Sorry, can't get that from Apple
3D0G | 03/08/07
|
Wrote a patch
pwestfall | 03/08/07
|
Sheer laziness...
M.R. Kennedy | 03/08/07
|

Just another newbie...
DNSB | 03/10/07
|
Idea
TripleII | 03/08/07
|

Corrections
yyuko@... | 03/08/07
|
 
Thanks
TripleII | 03/08/07
|
 
ahhhh
richvball44 | 03/10/07
|
 
Ummm... almost totally wrong
DNSB | 03/10/07
|
Why dont we do what i said before.. abolish DST
Been_Done_Before | 03/08/07
|

68% of people like DST, I'm one of them.
TripleII | 03/08/07
|
 
68% of people in 1976 liked it, but they liked Farah and the Mustang 2 too!
ajole | 03/08/07
|
  
Well, I was 9 in 1976
TripleII | 03/08/07
|
   
Yeah, But I'll Bet
Ole Man | 03/08/07
|
  
eck
richvball44 | 03/10/07
|

Finally, a good suggestion!
ajole | 03/08/07
|
 
wrong
PhilippeV | 03/09/07
|
  
It still doesn't matter
voska | 03/09/07
|
Microsoft needs Open Source help.
Resuna | 03/08/07
|
DST needs to go away, sort of...
Narg | 03/08/07
|
It wwas not too bad, but...
msalomon | 03/08/07
|
Energy Act of 2005
Servit2me | 03/08/07
|
WE BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT IS IN PRINT
BALTHOR | 03/08/07
|
Typical Reactions
pj_mouse | 03/08/07
|
so turn off automatic DST clock update and do it manually! it is stupid to
wessonjoe | 03/08/07
|

More serious than that
PhilippeV | 03/09/07
|
Mary Jo, quit bringing up the $4000 patch
PB_z | 03/08/07
|

Because!
Ole Man | 03/08/07
|
 
Can be cheaper than paying your IT staff to deploy a manual fix
PB_z | 03/09/07
|
Bill Why?
j1mitchell@... | 03/08/07
|
Is it really that hard for Windows?
Tony Agudo | 03/08/07
|
Who cares as some items cannot be fixed for DST changes.
rafarn@... | 03/08/07
|
Not just a M$ problem....
kenwd0elq | 03/08/07
|

VCRs off?
DNSB | 03/10/07
|
why bother with patches?
jefgorbach@... | 03/08/07
|
change the time manually, Duh.
daddykevin13 | 03/08/07
|

DST CHANGE
daffydaz@... | 03/08/07
|
Apple quietly issued a free fix 3 weeks ago
ralphrides | 03/08/07
|
DST
arb773@... | 03/08/07
|
Freeware
wtre44@... | 03/08/07
|
No Sympathy From Me
CptMatt | 03/08/07
|
This is simple so why are people struggling ?
pounder_arthur@... | 03/09/07
|

RE: This is simple so why are people struggling ?
Lynne's Honey | 03/10/07
|
Why are people having problems?
Leria | 03/09/07
|
The famous "Y2K bug" syndrom
PhilippeV | 03/09/07
|
no big deal
reedjjjr | 03/09/07
|
DST
camera12@... | 03/09/07
|
Exchange DST
ewong@... | 03/09/07
|

Same issues here
DNSB | 03/10/07
|
Way cheaper to have somebody manually change the time...
Linux_Fanboy | 03/09/07
|

RE: Way cheaper to have somebody manually change the time
Lynne's Honey | 03/10/07
|
Agreed
ThumbsUp2 | 03/09/07
|

RE: Agreed
Lynne's Honey | 03/10/07
|
The Truth IS . . .
Lynne's Honey | 03/10/07
|
32+ revisions...
lawryll@... | 03/10/07
|
dst microsoft no problem here
dbolvin | 03/11/07
|

Only for XP SP2, Vista, Server 2003
DNSB | 03/11/07
|
Could Not Purchase Exch 5.5 DST Patch
bandito67 | 03/11/07
|
So, here we are . . .
Sheeva | 03/12/07
|
Underlying Fact
Technowiz | 03/12/07
|
DST Woes
margsi2 | 03/14/07
|
Clueless...
jbielot@... | 03/22/07
|
RE: Microsoft customers melting down over Daylight Saving patches
Jackie150 | 10/11/09
|
RE: Microsoft customers melting down over Daylight Saving patches
sexy costumes | 11/11/09
|
RE: Microsoft customers melting down over Daylight Saving patches
sexy costumes | 11/11/09
|