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June 18th, 2009

More questions (and even a few answers) about Windows 7 E

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 7:43 am

Categories: App Compatibility, Channel, Corporate strategy, Internet Explorer, Legal, OEMs, Resellers, System builders, Windows 7, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Corp., Microsoft Windows, Web Browsers, Operating Systems, Software, Internet, Mary Jo Foley

It’s been a week since Microsoft publicly acknowledged its plan to release a browserless version of Windows 7 that would be sold in Europe only, as a way to potentially appease European antitrust regulators.

Since then, I’ve gotten more than a few reader questions about Windows 7 E — and have come up with a few of my own  — and have put them to Microsoft for answers. Here are a few more tidbits about what users and developers can expect from that version of Windows 7, slated to be commercially available on October 22. All of these answers were provided to me via a Microsoft spokesperson.

Q: Is Internet Explorer (IE) really completely gone from Windows with Windows 7 E?

A: No. Microsoft has removed the Web access points provided by IE 8. But the Trident rendering engine is still part of the operating system, as is the HTTP stack and other “core” elements upon which other pieces of the operating system have been built. (I don’t have a full list of what’s in and what’s out from an IE perspective. I’m not sure when and if Microsoft plans to make such a list available.)

Q: According to Microsoft’s official statement on its Web site, Microsoft is claiming applications designed for Windows will run just as well on Win 7 E
as on plain old Windows 7.  But don’t a number of apps, especially custom/business applications, assume IE is “there”? What happens to these knds of apps if IE isn’t there?

A: The fact that the HTTP stack, rendering engine and other core pieces are all there. That’s what enables everything else to keep on running. You basically just don’t have the executable to be browsing the web with IE.

Q: As a software manufacturer, it is critical for our company to continue having CHM (help file) support built in the OS for our technical documentation. Is that guaranteed?”

A: Microsoft will be sharing more technical details for E with partners so that they can test it with their applications, etc. Last week was just when we were notifying partners of our plans so that they could be able to know and prepare on their end. (I asked Microsoft when and how it plans to share these details and was told the timeframe remains to be determined.)

Q: Windows 7 E will be sold at retail and available installed on new PCs in Europe.But what’s the deal for volume licensees who aren’t necessarily planning to buy Windows 7 through OEMs?

A: Windows 7 E will be the only version of Windows 7 available to volume licensees in Europe.  Enterprises usually have their IT departments create a custom image for their organization, where they add their own custom applications on top (business apps, etc.).  So they can easily add whatever browser they prefer as part of the roll out that way.

Q: When will European users have a chance to check out a test build of Windows 7 E? Will the final Windows 7 E be released to manufacturing on the same day as regular Windows 7?

A: Still waiting for Microsoft answers to these…. Microsoft isn’t yet ready to provide these answers.

What else are you interested in knowing about Windows 7 E?

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OK, you're not very clever so let me explain..
I was talking mainly about monopoly on pre-installed
software. If 90% of PCs come with pre-installed
Windows then all the other free software from MS is
included as well. This would be s... (Read the rest)
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"What else are you interested in knowing about Windows 7 E?"  itpro_z | 06/18/09
No it won't  NoThomas | 06/18/09
Not what I read  itpro_z | 06/18/09
You mean OEM's or retail?  NoThomas | 06/18/09
3-4 browsers  zdneter0000 | 06/18/09
You could be right...  NoThomas | 06/19/09
AV?  James T. Kirk | 06/19/09
@ John E Wahd  NoThomas | 06/19/09
How about Google Chrome?  Bozzer | 06/19/09
They'll introduce errors and say it's because it's IE-less.  fr0thy2 | 06/22/09
I don't think so  wolf_z | 06/18/09
Choice is a funny thing...  Bozzer | 06/19/09
Windows 7 E is the only version that will be available, so, that will be  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
Yes, but...  itpro_z | 06/18/09
We do not know the final settlement, but, the EU will be very unlikely to  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
And who's going to judge?  wolf_z | 06/18/09
It will not be hard to design some standards for minimum functionality and  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!  de-void | 06/18/09
Re  BOSS4908 | 06/18/09
Browser makers would just have to show that they have a team to patch  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
Do they.  de-void | 06/18/09
And who pays for all the work involved  BroGnorik | 06/18/09
The browsers will not be built into Windows, there will be a ballot screen  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
They came with the stupid idea...  windozefreak | 06/18/09
Maybe you should work on Microsoft's legal team. Just tell the Europeans  DonnieBoy | 06/19/09
Once again Donnieboy,  rtk | 06/19/09
Who pays?  dgrainge | 06/18/09
But this isn't MS' job to police the European Software industry's ability .  de-void | 06/18/09
@Donnie - Having a monopoly is NOT illegal  de-void | 06/18/09
What exactly is  LegendsOfBatman | 06/18/09
Don't worry, they have plenty of people in Europe to work out what is  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
What monopoly?  itpro_z | 06/18/09
Even the US, a seven judge panel UNANIMOUSLY found MS to have a monopoly  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
Sorry, but NO!  de-void | 06/18/09
I suggest you read up on antitrust law and market definitions. Microsoft is  DonnieBoy | 06/19/09
EU == Monopoly  Rama.NET | 06/19/09
MS has a monopoly on pre-installed software  prof123 | 06/21/09
@Donnie ... Apple DOES have a monopoly ...  de-void | 06/22/09
@prof123 - Utter garbage ...  de-void | 06/22/09
de-void you're missing the point  prof123 | 06/23/09
You should consider starting a new thread for this question.  Looks Confused | 06/18/09
I would but  LegendsOfBatman | 06/20/09
@nizuse: I know  Rama.NET | 06/19/09
No I'm not.  nizuse | 06/19/09
Sorry, Donnie,...  itpro_z | 06/18/09
Well, or course monopolies hate being regulated and hate having to comply  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
See above: What monopoly? nt  itpro_z | 06/18/09
See above, MS is not even THAT stupid.  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
Donnie, you're talking past, I'm talking present  itpro_z | 06/18/09
Look MS is not even trying to claim that they do not have a monopoly now.  DonnieBoy | 06/19/09
Microsoft Could...  windozefreak | 06/18/09
No, because the WMP-free version of ...  mwagner@... | 06/19/09
I am sure there is more to it then just deleting Iexplore.exe  NoThomas | 06/18/09
It also needs to reset the default browser  Michael Kelly | 06/18/09
And ...  de-void | 06/18/09
RE: More questions (and even a few answers) about Windows 7 E  jimgetten@... | 06/18/09
No, But, yes  LegendsOfBatman | 06/18/09
Still, MS illegally created dependencies on their rendering engine.  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
Library dependancies are not illegal  Michael Kelly | 06/18/09
Sounds like a shell game to me. You build a complete application as an API,  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
No wonder you come across as clueless  wolf_z | 06/18/09
Yes, that would be very simple for MS, just call everything an OS service,  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
Actually they are.  wolf_z | 06/18/09
From one wolf to another...  Wolfie2K3 | 06/18/09
And, to avoid competing on the merits, MS will just call everything part of  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
Which is why they went after IE and WMP  Michael Kelly | 06/18/09
I see more gripe in your posts. n/t  Rama.NET | 06/19/09
Why?  itpro_z | 06/18/09
The rendering engine really is the main component of the browser. Letting  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
Come on Donnie, surely you can't be THAT dumb?  de-void | 06/18/09
Those apps depend on the MS rendering engine because of the illegal  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
That's just *dumb*, Donnie  wolf_z | 06/18/09
Yes, there is a line to be drawn as to what is part of the OS and what is  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
No, they won't.  wolf_z | 06/18/09
Insulting the Europeans will NOT help. They will employ the people  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
Here's a hint Donnie  rtk | 06/18/09
Hint for rtk  nizuse | 06/19/09
Donnie - you're right and you're wrong.  Wolfie2K3 | 06/18/09
Well, the fines are not even a drop in the bucket compared to the GNP of  DonnieBoy | 06/18/09
@Donnie: Law enforcement? Give us a break...  Wolfie2K3 | 06/19/09
Really. Where is that line?  de-void | 06/18/09
Don't worry, they will make a judgment, but, in any case, MS can n NOT just  DonnieBoy | 06/19/09
The funny part, no one will buy it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/09
Actually, many people will...  JoeMama_z | 06/18/09
They'll 'have' to...  preacherx | 06/18/09
Google gets the set itself as the Default Homepage on ALL new PC's!  Bozzer | 06/19/09
But  jdbukis@... | 06/19/09
Now that would be like biting the teat that feeds them..  Wolfie2K3 | 06/19/09
Opera are hoping that their income ...  de-void | 06/22/09
More crapware  itpro_z | 06/20/09
The Funny Part Is, None Of Your Predictions Have Come True  itanalyst2@... | 06/19/09
In the Wonderful World of NoAxe  nizuse | 06/19/09
RE: More questions (and even a few answers) about Windows 7 E  mthakershi1 | 06/18/09
You are missing the point  prof123 | 06/21/09
What an interesting analogy  NonZealot | 06/21/09
OK, you're not very clever so let me explain..  prof123 | 06/23/09
Like shopping for a Ford Car at Chevy Dealership.  Rama.NET | 06/21/09
What is ILLEGAL  dlopp | 06/18/09
The EU is being stupid.  Keywalker4God | 06/18/09
Why is it being stupid by levelling the playing field?  Bozzer | 06/19/09
Indeed.  magallanes | 06/19/09
And MS has abandoned IE6  Bozzer | 06/19/09
Then EU and Opera will sue Google for a change  Rama.NET | 06/19/09
Twaddle  thammr | 06/18/09
RE: More questions (and even a few answers) about Windows 7 E  windozefreak | 06/18/09
I won't boycott Opera.  James T. Kirk | 06/19/09
I already stopped buying European goods  Rama.NET | 06/19/09
FYI Iexplorer is for free..  magallanes | 06/19/09
RE: More questions (and even a few answers) about Windows 7 E  sparkle farkle | 06/19/09
Why can't people just appreciate IE?  lindeysw8r | 06/19/09
@@nizuse: You are.  Rama.NET | 06/19/09
The story of mankind  nizuse | 06/19/09
I agree  Rama.NET | 06/19/09
When can I get Windows 7 E in North America?  mheartwood | 06/22/09
yup  rtk | 06/22/09
Or ... buy Win7 and uninstall IE yourself.  de-void | 06/22/09

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