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July 22nd, 2009

Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 5:36 am

Categories: Channel, Corporate strategy, OEMs, Resellers, System builders, Vista, Windows 7, Windows XP, Windows client

Tags: Pilot, Microsoft Corp., Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Software, Mary Jo Foley

After two-plus years of development, Windows 7 is almost done. Microsoft officials have been thanking (though not to some testers’ liking — more on that later) the millions who downloaded the various test builds and provided feedback for their help in building the product.

However, Microsoft’s brass isn’t thanking publicly an inner circle of about 40 or so individuals who actually were the “real” Windows 7 testers. This group of hand-picked individuals are the ones on whom the Windows team seemed to count for a lot of the feedback about the various test builds of Windows 7 as it made its way through the development pipeline.

These so-called Test Pilots saw more Windows 7 builds than the rest of the testing community, and they usually saw them earlier. Microsoft officials were especially attuned to their feedback when tweaking the product. In spite of the Windows client team’s repeated insistence that “telemetry, telemetry, telemetry!” means Windows 7 is a customer-driven release, some believe that the Test Pilots and Microsoft’s corporate Technology Adoption Program (TAP) testers were the only external entities that had much of any real impact on the final Windows 7 product.

(Update: For the record, the Windows client team insists that this perception is untrue and that testers’ feedback made a difference in Windows 7. See the Engineering 7 blog posts here, here and here for more on Microsoft’s defense of its testing policies.)

None of the Test Pilots I contacted was willing to be identified by name. Some refused to acknowledge that  they were Pilots or knew about the Pilot program, fearing the wrath of the Windows client management. (You can’t blame them; they want to be part of the Windows 8 inner circle, too.)

Microsoft’s decision to create this “elite” group has created considerable animosity among other Windows testers. While the majority of the unwashed masses of public testers don’t assume their suggestions and bug finds will matter much in terms of Windows’ final design, Microsoft’s “technical beta testers” do.

Many of technical beta testers put a lot of time and energy into unearthing and documenting bugs and passing them on to Microsoft. And a number of them were angry that they were provided with only two official Windows 7 test builds from Microsoft over the past three years — and that all they are getting for their work on Windows 7 is a belated “we gave you a chance to get Win 7 at 50 percent off” head-pat and no free copy of the final product.

Up until the start of the Windows 7 development cycle, the technical beta testers were treated as more integral to the creation of Windows. Testers felt like their feedback and guidance mattered and that they were kept in the loop more about what was coming when. Betas of Windows felt more like malleable builds that were subject to user-contributed changes — unlike the case with Windows 7, which a number of testers felt was nearly done by the time it hit its pre-beta milestone builds, let alone the first beta.

In short, the Windows 7 beta testing process was now a lot like Microsoft Office’s, with the first test build seeming more like a final version of the product than something that Microsoft actually expected to be open to tester feedback. (Given the number of former Office managers and execs who now are leading the Windows team, that change isn’t too surprising.)

Was the Windows 7 testing experience any different/better for the Test Pilots?

One Test Pilot with whom I spoke said that while the pilots received new builds of Windows 7 every month or so, they weren’t privy to much information, either.

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"Win 7 even handles ISO image burning directly"
Wow! Sounds like it has almost caught up to Linux now.

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Reward for testing: Use old code until October  LeoD | 07/22/09
i agree  hansonjb | 07/22/09
Never going to happen...  J242 | 07/22/09
It'd take as much bandwidth as the beta or RC. So what?  LeoD | 07/23/09
Seriously?  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
Thousands of people are ALREADY running the beta  LeoD | 07/23/09
Well... you can...  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
Isn't that why Microsoft limited the public ...  mwagner@... | 07/22/09
Yes, but...  LeoD | 07/22/09
Is it that serious?  ShadowGIATL | 07/22/09
It isn't the end of the world, but it is still wrong.  LeoD | 07/23/09
Yeaaaa.. well....  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
Wouldn't have to be mean if the RTM was an option.  LeoD | 07/23/09
It's just the way it is..  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
I agree  sjbinaz | 07/23/09
Really?  J242 | 07/22/09
Less/More doesn't mean None/All.  LeoD | 07/23/09
Fact is...  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
Aren't most developers on MSDN?  dcmorrow | 07/22/09
I have MSDN access. My users do not.  LeoD | 07/22/09
Why are all your users using prerelease software?  ShadowGIATL | 07/22/09
So we should ignore thousands/millions of users?  LeoD | 07/23/09
True...  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
They've already been encouraged  LeoD | 07/24/09
Your users aren't licensed!  J242 | 07/22/09
RC and Beta are not supported  rdhalsteatzd | 07/23/09
I want to tell them, "install the RTM and I'll look at your problem."  LeoD | 07/23/09
You misunderstand...  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
Perhaps not 'unstable' but 'under-documented'  Patanjali | 07/26/09
Well..  ShadowGIATL | 07/27/09
Better beta testers  jbrown70 | 07/23/09
Not much of a "developer" then...  J242 | 07/22/09
Not much of a reader then...  LeoD | 07/23/09
Internets  Jimster480 | 07/22/09
Indeed, and that makes it harder for us developers...  LeoD | 07/23/09
RTM code is ready NOW  hwaynew | 07/23/09
The 'real' Windows 7 testers will only appear  deaf_e_kate | 07/22/09
Nonsense ...  mwagner@... | 07/22/09
nope  deaf_e_kate | 07/22/09
Deaf and Dumb  TylerM89 | 07/22/09
You know...  awasson@... | 07/22/09
Flawless? XP is a logistical mish mash  Patanjali | 07/22/09
I Wonder...  windozefreak | 07/22/09
You know  ozguy | 07/22/09
mmm... fixing SMB.SYS is a MS responsibility  deaf_e_kate | 07/23/09
mmm.... never heard of that issue before  TylerM89 | 07/23/09
It Figgers  Buff Loon | 07/22/09
Sounds like you are living in the past  Patanjali | 07/22/09
Win Vista has been productive for some....  Buff Loon | 07/22/09
My opinion of Vista being a fiasco  blacksheepxlch | 07/22/09
XP still coming with fixes  Patanjali | 07/22/09
Stepped up Windows 7...?  Wolfie2K3 | 07/22/09
lessons from the past  tmsbrdrs | 07/22/09
Was it the right way? See the final product.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/22/09
Can you tell me how long I'll have to wait for the pudding? happy  lightingrod | 07/22/09
My Win 7 boxes work day in, day out, flawlessly too!  Patanjali | 07/22/09
Pebkac Indeed...  awasson@... | 07/22/09
Depends upon the level of functionality required.  Patanjali | 07/22/09
I assume the BIOS see's them, here's why.  lightingrod | 07/25/09
Are you running the computer as AHCI?  Patanjali | 07/26/09
"Win 7 even handles ISO image burning directly"  Ole Man | 08/07/09
Lightingrod:  justanitguy | 07/22/09
Thanks for the suggestion  lightingrod | 07/25/09
When I see that drivers are available for all my hardware  blacksheepxlch | 07/22/09
I don't disagree with you about everyone complains about M$  lightingrod | 07/25/09
Technical Testing is voluntary  Mr. Dee | 07/22/09
your right  dave@... | 07/22/09
...at least you get to test cutting edge technology  Mr. Dee | 07/22/09
If a beta tester does not submit useful ...  mwagner@... | 07/22/09
Depends upon how really helpful the info was  Patanjali | 07/22/09
You are still missing the point...  Mr. Dee | 07/22/09
A Camel Is a Horse Designed By a Committee  John-D | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  anonymuos | 07/22/09
the stack mentality  brokenspokes | 07/28/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  wwgorman | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  RWNorman | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  rmark@... | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  ramnet@... | 07/22/09
Thats Not What Said At All...  windozefreak | 07/22/09
"Bogies in sight"; Vista Premium was a disaster for me as a retail product.  Thomas Rippley | 07/22/09
Bugzilla...  angrykeyboarder | 07/22/09
agree - use the W7T until then  cauleyflower | 07/22/09
I thought that is what the Telementry systems are for?  Patanjali | 07/22/09
And every copy of Windows Vista & 7 ...  mwagner@... | 07/22/09
They are On...  thenetavenger | 07/22/09
Microsoft understands their constituency  terry flores | 07/22/09
Like Apple does, according to a poster above?  Patanjali | 07/22/09
Animosity?  markflax | 07/22/09
Wankers wanting strokes!  Patanjali | 07/22/09
And the fake Linux Four Tops (NT)  windozefreak | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  mwagner@... | 07/22/09
Win 7 RC is pretty well production ready  Patanjali | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  pdickey043@... | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  Jackums21 | 07/22/09
Exactly!  Patanjali | 07/22/09
Too many cooks  Li1t | 07/22/09
Testers' mentality is different to developers  Patanjali | 07/22/09
Beta tester is not QA.  magallanes | 07/22/09
Correct.  Patanjali | 07/22/09
2 months later, not going back to xp  lkujala | 07/22/09
XP mode has a very specific focus!!  Patanjali | 07/22/09
XP Mode == boon to developers  Thunderbuck | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  echtogammut | 07/22/09
On the contrary! Downstream processing costs for each  Patanjali | 07/22/09
Beta Testing is very important - The approach as well  dtroyerSMU | 07/22/09
Win 7 Beta was not really to true testing  Patanjali | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  Buff Loon | 07/22/09
THE REAL TESTERS ARE THE TELEMETRY GENERATORS  Patanjali | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  computersly | 07/22/09
What else do you want it to do that it can't do now?  Patanjali | 07/22/09
I have to say... the entitlement generation lives on...  TheWerewolf | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  Buff Loon | 07/22/09
MVP's...  AmediaN | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  K_Tech | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  pauldoyle98@... | 07/22/09
Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up, then fall down??  1noname | 07/22/09
Win 7 ain't junk!  Patanjali | 07/22/09
How to win friends and influence people...  jessiethe3rd | 07/22/09
BullCr**  thenetavenger | 07/22/09
Yes. People seem to have no idea of what a tester is  Patanjali | 07/22/09
All this free help and no free copies?  Aboleyn | 07/22/09
Of course...  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
Huh?  ZX14 | 07/23/09
They're probably too cheap...  Wintel BSOD | 07/23/09
Oh yea...  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
Oh yea...  Wintel BSOD | 07/24/09
Whatever...  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
Whatever is right...  Wintel BSOD | 07/24/09
You miss the point...  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
I don't think so...  Wintel BSOD | 07/24/09
Rolls eyes.... you seriously missed the point.  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
Defending the indefensible again....  Wintel BSOD | 07/24/09
All you did was futher prove my point. (nt)  ShadowGIATL | 07/28/09
All this free help and no free copies?  Aboleyn | 07/22/09
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.  ShadowGIATL | 07/28/09
.  bytestar | 07/22/09
All the Time and hard work that we have invested for nothing.  bytestar | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  xrayjames | 07/22/09
Yes it was a frustrating Betatest.  bytestar | 07/22/09
Que?  Patanjali | 07/22/09
I noticed you asked what...  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
Manuel  Patanjali | 07/26/09
Yo no hablas...  ShadowGIATL | 07/27/09
Well that..  ShadowGIATL | 07/27/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  cathcam | 07/22/09
What's Everyone Crying About?  jpr75_z | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  goedpaul | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  Win7Nightmares | 07/22/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  troubled241 | 07/22/09
Beta testers... rightttt...  mikifinaz1@... | 07/22/09
Linux fanboys.... riiighhhtttt.  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
not quite right  brokenspokes | 07/29/09
May not be what you want to hear...  ShadowGIATL | 07/29/09
how are you helping?  brokenspokes | 07/28/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  alkolkin@... | 07/23/09
Most likely the driver...  ShadowGIATL | 07/23/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  doodaddyo | 07/31/09
RE: Will the 'real' Windows 7 testers please stand up?  doodaddyo | 07/31/09

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