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July 23rd, 2009

The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 9:10 am

Categories: Channel, Corporate strategy, Service Pack, Vista, Windows 7, Windows XP, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Software, Mary Jo Foley

Windows 7 has been released to manufacturing and is obviously the operating system that Microsoft and its partners will be pushing for the next two-plus years. If you’re one of those business users who is in the midst of deploying Vista, what should you do?

Up until fairly recently, Microsoft was telling users to continue going forward with their Vista deployments if they’d already begun them, and to just skip Vista and go straight to Windows 7 if they were just starting them.

But in May, around the time Microsoft delivered the near-final Release Candidate (RC) test build of Windows 7, Windows execs stopped saying much at all about Vista. In fact, it was like pulling teeth to get them to talk about Vista Service Pack (SP) 2, in terms of discussing features, fixes and/or  availability. At the company’s recent Worldwide Partner Conference, the message was clear: As of May, any marketing campaigns that had been using the word “Vista” should be switched to refer to “Windows.”

Where does that leave big shops that bought into Vista? Are they deigned to be ridiculed and abandonned like Hester Prynne, forced to don a scarlet “A” (or, in this case, “V”)?

Mike Angiulo, General Manager of Microsoft’s Planning and PC Ecosystem team, said Microsoft is not casting off its Vista users.

“We are not abandoning our existing Vista customers,” Angiulo said. “A three-year cycle is the right amount of time” for the delivery of a new client operating system release to users, and that’s just about how long it will be by the time it makes Windows 7 generally available, he said.

“A lot of the compatibility work we’ve done with Windows 7 will benefit Vista users,” Angiulo added. Many of the drivers and applications that weren’t compatible with Vista out of the gate are now ready for Windows 7 and, by extension, Vista.

When I spoke with Dell this week, the shift in messaging around Vista vs. Windows 7 was crystal-clear.

“A year ago, 87 percent of our commercial customers were on XP. Many are looking to skip a generation and go straight to Vista, Windows 7″ said Jim Ginger, Global Lead of Dell’s End User Services Computing Practice. (Sorry: my mistake on that one… MJF)

But like Microsoft, Dell is insisting that the Windows 7 push won’t mean that Vista users get left behind.

“They can continue with Vista or start rolling out (Windows) 7. The two are similar enough that they will work harmoniously together” so having a mixed Vista/Windows 7 environment shouldn’t be an issue, he said.

For customers who are still on XP, Dell will be suggesting they move straight to Windows 7 and will make that its emphasis with its Dell Optimized Deployment Services, which are aimed at helping corporate users with 1,000 seats or more.

Forrester Research released a new research note on operating system licensing trends this week that echoed the emphasis on Windows 7. From that July 22 note:

“While some clients describe Windows 7 as ‘Windows Vista SP3′ or ‘what Windows Vista should have been,’ Windows 7 will deliver a lot of new features that make it a proper successor to Windows Vista despite the fact that it’s quite clearly an evolutionary update rather than a revolutionary change. We expect most businesses will find compelling reasons for an eventual upgrade, such as simplified connectivity for mobile workers, improved branch office networking, tighter data security and more granular control of applications, and easier access to data across resources”

The note’s authors added:

“Windows 7 is shaping up to be a suitable replacement for organizations that couldn’t justify an upgrade to Windows Vista, and it even has some firms that took the Vista plunge rethinking their upgrade strategy.”

The U.S. Air Force is one such customer.

The Air Force, as of April of this year, had deployed 90,000 Vista laptops and desktops, according to one of my sources who has knowledge of the details of the contract. The Air Force evaluated and tested Vista between December 2006 to June 2008 and initially deployed the operating system among select bases to about 10,000 users before going further. The Air Force moved to Vista because of the security assurances it offered over XP, according to my source.

So what’s the plan now that Windows 7 is going to be downloadable by volume licensees in a few more weeks? To move to Windows 7 as soon as possible, my source says. The Air Force has been testing Windows 7 internally for months and already has cleared the few app-compatibility hurdles it encountered moving users from XP to Vista.

I’m curious to hear from business users who are partially through their Vista deployments. What’s your game plan now?

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RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?
Don?t worry though ? these are mostly enhancements (where in Windows Vista we sexy costumes pretty much changed all the tools and infrastructure used to build and deploy Windows)... (Read the rest)
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Vista a Proven Product - As strange as it sounds  Mr. Dee | 07/23/09
I agree, nothing wrong with Vista at all.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/09
The only thing wrong....  Erroneous | 07/23/09
I like Vista, but...  urbandk | 07/23/09
Same here  ccpljat | 07/23/09
The Mojave Experiment...  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
Total BS.  notsofast | 07/26/09
Not it's not  UAC nanny screen | 07/26/09
it's called 'marketing'  Asten77 | 08/02/09
And Expert Ax confirms Vista is good for everyone!  GoPower | 07/23/09
Nor did they switch  NonZealot | 07/23/09
Touche  Bozzer | 07/24/09
Must not be a businessman  flhtc | 07/24/09
However,...  windozefreak | 07/24/09
Wrong  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
RE: Nor did they switch  gdstark13 | 07/24/09
Nahhh....  cosuna | 07/24/09
No, that's your shill spin on it  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
RE: And Expert Ax confirms Vista is good for everyone!  gdstark13 | 07/24/09
Please Tell us,...  windozefreak | 07/24/09
RE: Please Tell us,...  gdstark13 | 07/24/09
In other words...  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
curious to know  tmsbrdrs | 07/25/09
Those businesses...  gypkap@... | 07/24/09
Then explain this Windows Boy  Chad_z | 07/23/09
I'll take what you have to say seriously...  LiquidLearner | 07/23/09
The OS turned it effectively into an old POS  fr0thy2 | 07/23/09
And you would know because? NT  mckenzl | 07/24/09
I know....  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
possible for the same reason I know  tmsbrdrs | 07/25/09
He obviously didn't take  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
You talk like a nut. Heres a clue, you do the math.  Cayble | 07/23/09
A real mathmagician  flhtc | 07/24/09
And you talk like a typical shill  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
If you ever seen me post on Vista begore...  Cayble | 07/25/09
Well good for you  UAC nanny screen | 07/26/09
Since when was MSFT about this:  mlindl | 07/24/09
MacBook Air....your the reason wireless is mucked up  dtroyerSMU | 07/24/09
Macbook Air  gypkap@... | 07/24/09
How About...  windozefreak | 07/24/09
that's what he was talking about  tmsbrdrs | 07/25/09
What's any Vista user to do?  fr0thy2 | 07/23/09
I will still use it  NStalnecker | 07/23/09
No Upheavel...  windozefreak | 07/24/09
I upgraded Vista to SP2 yesterday  gypkap@... | 07/24/09
Because there is no choice...  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
Yes, And Nothing's Wrong With All Of No_Ax's Other Predictions  itanalyst2@... | 07/23/09
RE: Anything constructive to say?  Bozzer | 07/24/09
Sure  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
Vista - stable, Win7 - stable, XP - BSOD whenever  dtroyerSMU | 07/24/09
Wait...  cosuna | 07/24/09
context ,,, context  dtroyerSMU | 07/24/09
Try this...  914four | 07/27/09
Not much respect for their customers, re: Microsoft  HypnoToad72 | 07/23/09
Actually  TylerM89 | 07/23/09
Yep, if you love DRM  Ole Man | 07/23/09
More FUD  NStalnecker | 07/23/09
That's funny!  Ole Man | 07/23/09
It's the only DRM included in Windows  NStalnecker | 07/23/09
Gutman is right about one thing  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
Answer the question.  Bozzer | 07/24/09
The fact that you can't watch HDC on an unprotected path?  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
Tickling me pink  joepranay | 07/23/09
As I said, I repeat  Ole Man | 07/23/09
You have good reasons for you  eb276 | 07/23/09
Maybe I just don't fit your mold  Ole Man | 07/23/09
Fortunately, I have plenty of good water  eb276 | 07/23/09
I don't even get that one...  Cayble | 07/23/09
Sounds like you could use a little of your own advice  Ole Man | 07/24/09
Completely leftfield.  Bozzer | 07/24/09
One need not be "friendly" to be ethical  Ole Man | 07/24/09
As you can see, Ole Man...  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
Redmond Borg collective???  Cayble | 07/25/09
Well if it looks like a corporate sheep...  UAC nanny screen | 07/26/09
WGA & UAC  TucsonGuy | 07/25/09
Then you're going to be sorely disappointed with 7.  Captiosus | 07/23/09
Just how I feel....  jessiethe3rd | 07/24/09
That's just no longer the case (nt)  mwagner@... | 07/24/09
And, how does this benchmark help you do you job? (nt)  windozefreak | 07/24/09
That's beside the point  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
Any IT group that deploys Vista now ...  dkawalec | 07/23/09
How is this even an issue?  GuidingLight | 07/23/09
Mary Jo needs hits, easy way is to down MS.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/09
is this a slam on Vista?  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 07/23/09
WHat's a user to do???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/23/09
Conspiracy theorists are out in full force  Macintoshtoffy | 07/23/09
And MS actually has long release cycles  NonZealot | 07/23/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  jscarey | 07/23/09
Personally...  wolf_z | 07/23/09
What to do? Use it?  eljay001 | 07/23/09
No Need to have pain  dtroyerSMU | 07/24/09
How about us, Vista Ultimate users???  e_ecruz | 07/23/09
Nothing?  NonZealot | 07/23/09
What Do I Get?  e_ecruz | 07/23/09
MS did deliver extras  NonZealot | 07/23/09
MS promised and didn't deliver in Ultimate  Rude Union | 07/23/09
Doesnt change the fact  jdbukis@... | 07/23/09
I'm there with you...  LiquidLearner | 07/23/09
If you bought Ultimate for the 'extras'...  jamesrayg | 07/23/09
Yes, he was a fool  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
Why didn't you return it and get your money back? (nt)  windozefreak | 07/24/09
You were suckered, pal...  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
We were also promised...  Captiosus | 07/23/09
The Air Force is using V?  Userama | 07/23/09
Over what?  LiquidLearner | 07/23/09
Me too!  Ole Man | 07/23/09
If your using XP....  dtroyerSMU | 07/24/09
No need..  windozefreak | 07/24/09
Until the next plane crash (nt)  UAC nanny screen | 07/25/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  sox_fan | 07/23/09
I was wondering the same thing myself..  NoThomas | 07/23/09
typo  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 07/23/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  PlayFair | 07/23/09
Absolutely nothing  tonymcs@... | 07/23/09
Go Airforce !  jpr75_z | 07/23/09
Then use Linux  UAC nanny screen | 07/24/09
GEE...? GOSH!!! WHATS A VISTA USER TO DO!?!?  Cayble | 07/23/09
I have NO sympathy for those business users  Lerianis10 | 07/23/09
"So damn long"?  Captiosus | 07/23/09
Or stop investing in crap.  mlindl | 07/24/09
A fool and his money are soon parted  ejhonda | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  jimk_z | 07/24/09
Switch. Deploy Snow Leopard ASAP  mlindl | 07/24/09
?I told Microsoft I?m giving them their divorce papers?  Ole Man | 07/24/09
Don't Confuse Politics With Reality  kdickson@... | 07/24/09
Exactly, and you have my vote that  SunDvl | 07/24/09
Read the tea leaves  Ole Man | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  abm99 | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  thebigkc | 07/24/09
Microsoft Cycle -- Get new hardware , pay and upgrade  kumvinod@... | 07/24/09
WINDOWS ME 2.0  magallanes | 07/24/09
WINDOWS 7 NEW ME  flaviok | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  gdstark13 | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  psion@... | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  leecc1@... | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  cosuna | 07/24/09
Businesses in the middle of their Vista ...  mwagner@... | 07/24/09
I agree 100%  dtroyerSMU | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  JeremyBoden | 07/24/09
Simple answer  waltmaine | 07/24/09
Patches  Graham Ellison | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  PatrynXX | 07/24/09
Apostrophe abuse correction  Graham Ellison | 07/24/09
Go OS X or Linux  AlienSexGod | 07/24/09
Deploying Vista - too funny!!!  Kill-the-hype | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  robertleeking@... | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  windozefreak | 07/24/09
Are there ANY enterprises in the midst of deploying Vista?  bob@... | 07/24/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  wizardb@... | 07/25/09
One more liar caught cold.  Cayble | 07/25/09
bull  wizardb@... | 07/25/09
RE: The Scarlet V: What's a Vista business user to do?  Jackie150 | 10/09/09

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