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July 24th, 2009

Microsoft agrees to give choice of browsers to Windows 7 users in Europe

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 11:10 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Internet Explorer, Legal, Windows 7, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Corp., Web Browser, Ballot Screen, Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Windows, Web Browsers, Operating Systems, Software, Internet, Mary Jo Foley

Microsoft is willing to give Windows 7 users in Europe a choice of browsers, rather than simply no browser.

The European Commission (EC)announced on its Web site on July 24 that Microsoft has now proposed as part of settlement talks to allow a “ballot screen to  be included in Windows 7. Microsoft initially was dead-set against allowing the inclusion of a ballot screen which would prompt users at set-up to select among a number of different browsers, including Internet Explorer (IE) 8, as its legal representatives made clear earlier this year.

The ballot screen was one of the ideas the EC regulators were floating as a possible remedy in the Microsoft vs. Opera antitrust case that Opera lodged in late 2007. The case involves whether Microsoft has harmed consumers and competitors by bundling Internet Explorer with Windows. Microsoft and the EC have been in settlement talks for the past month or so.

More from the European Commission Web site:

“Under the proposal, Windows 7 would include Internet Explorer, but the proposal recognises the principle that consumers should be given a free and effective choice of web browser, and sets out a means – the ballot screen - by which Microsoft believes that can be achieved. In addition OEMs would be able to install competing web browsers, set those as default and disable Internet Explorer should they so wish. The Commission welcomes this proposal, and will now investigate its practical effectiveness in terms of ensuring genuine consumer choice.”

It sounds like Windows 7 E is off the table. Windows 7 E is still seemingly on the table — at least until the EC accepts Microsoft’s new ballot-screen proposal. (See the end of this post for more details.)

Windows 7 E is  a version of Windows 7 Microsoft is building that will not include any browser. Microsoft said earlier this year that Windows 7 E would be the one and only version of Windows 7 it planned to field in Europe.

In today’s statement, the European antitrust regulators made their distaste for Windows 7 E clear, but indicated they might go for a combination of Windows 7E plus the ballot screen:

“As the Commission indicated in June (see MEMO/09/272 ), the Commission was concerned that, should Microsoft’s conduct prove to have been abusive, Microsoft’s intention to separate Internet Explorer from Windows, without measures such as a ballot screen, would not necessarily have achieved greater consumer choice in practice and would not have been an effective remedy.”

Microsoft is preparing an official statement, officials said. Once that’s out, I will update this post.

Update: Yes, Windows 7 E is still on the table, but only up until the time the EC accepts Microsoft’s just-released ballot-screen proposal.  If and when regulators agree to that, Microsoft will no longer offer Windows 7 E in Europe. Here’s the explanation from Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith:

“If this proposal is ultimately accepted, Microsoft will ship Windows in Europe with the full functionality available in the rest of the world. “

If regulators accept Microsoft’s ballot-screen proposal, Smith said, Microsoft will begin working with OEMs at that time to get the ballot screen incorporated onto new Windows 7 PCs. Windows 7 machines — at least so far — are still slated to go on sale in Europe and the rest of the world starting October 22.

Microsoft will publish, as requested by EC regulators, Microsoft’s new settlement proposal on the company’s Web site.

Smith also said today that it has agreed as part of the settlement terms with the EC to “promote interoperability between third party products and a number of Microsoft products, including Windows, Windows Server, Office, Exchange, and SharePoint.”

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Still dont get why this is illegal
I still dont really understand this. Microsoft makes a software which is an os and then as part of that package they give you ie as a working compatible browser which comes with the os. How is this i... (Read the rest)
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Who does this help?  GoodThings2Life | 07/24/09
This is great...  condelirios | 07/24/09
Exactly [NT]  kolvas | 07/24/09
Dangerous  Viva la crank dodo | 07/24/09
Re:  jtiner | 07/24/09
They were found to be a monopoly  NonZealot | 07/24/09
re  jtiner | 07/24/09
What about their practices?  NonZealot | 07/24/09
Re:  jtiner | 07/24/09
Predatory monopolies are harmful  NonZealot | 07/24/09
Revisionist BS  Richard Flude | 07/25/09
Talk about revisionist BS Richard.....  xuniL_z | 07/26/09
xuniL_z is wrong  Richard Flude | 07/26/09
The fact that Linux Botnets exist is confusing?  xuniL_z | 07/27/09
Re: Apple's 91% market share.  nick.holmes | 07/24/09
Nope, Apple is eating your lunch  Mikael_z | 07/27/09
Nah... Apple is only eating their own lunch.  ShadowGIATL | 07/28/09
I wonder why the EU can't digest that?  xuniL_z | 07/28/09
Microsoft is software...  wright_is | 07/27/09
Licensing  Mikael_z | 07/27/09
Answers  de-void | 07/24/09
If only that were true  NonZealot | 07/24/09
True, but ...  de-void | 07/24/09
Well, I don't know if that's the case.  LizaJay | 07/24/09
Re  jtiner | 07/24/09
couple of questions  NoThomas | 07/24/09
Re:  jtiner | 07/24/09
TomTom  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
@jtiner  NoThomas | 07/26/09
Do you read what you type?  de-void | 07/24/09
Do you honestly believe the garbage you write?  Arm A. Geddon | 07/24/09
@ Arm A. Geddon - Q4 is actually much more interesting...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/24/09
@Arm A. Geddon: At no point in my post did I indicate ...  de-void | 07/24/09
Depends on who you ask...  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
Re: Microsoft and SUSE  Arm A. Geddon | 07/24/09
@Arm  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
I try to be neutral.  Arm A. Geddon | 07/24/09
@Arm  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
@jtiner - you are reading old newspapers  LizaJay | 07/24/09
Now now, Liza.  de-void | 07/24/09
I agree, this is wonderful!  MissingMatter | 07/24/09
Insult to the consumer  LizaJay | 07/24/09
There is a "ballot screen" when you buy a car.  Basic Logic | 07/25/09
That is different...  ShadowGIATL | 07/25/09
Your example is different too...  Basic Logic | 07/26/09
Nothing insane about it...  ShadowGIATL | 07/27/09
It's not insane, you just don't get it...  LeeC | 07/27/09
What a horrible analogy. There is a "ballot screen" for PCs too....  xuniL_z | 07/29/09
That's ALL they need!  mgp3 | 07/24/09
Push out a patch..  prof123 | 07/24/09
Just curious?  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
Windows has a design flaw  prof123 | 07/24/09
Your argument is fundamentally flawed...  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
Windows is flawed  prof123 | 07/24/09
@prof  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
to ShadowGiat  prof123 | 07/24/09
@prof  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
To ShadowGiat  prof123 | 07/25/09
Uh... Wanna try that again?  Wolfie2K3 | 07/24/09
Thanks for picking that one up...  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
@ShadowGIATL - You're welcome..  Wolfie2K3 | 07/24/09
I'm sure that has NOTHING to do...  Captiosus | 07/25/09
@capt  ShadowGIATL | 07/25/09
@Prof ... you need to do some more research!  de-void | 07/24/09
Don't confuse them with facts... silly (nt)  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
It helps Everybody on the web!  Mikael_z | 07/27/09
The numbers wouldn't change  DevJonny | 07/27/09
So what's next?  NonZealot | 07/24/09
Don't  Viva la crank dodo | 07/24/09
Sure, why not.  AdventTech67 | 07/24/09
You need to read a book  martin23 | 07/24/09
Monopolies are NOT illegal  de-void | 07/24/09
dictionary  martin23 | 07/24/09
What software?  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
Don't confuse monopoly abuse with competition  de-void | 07/24/09
Exactly!!  LizaJay | 07/24/09
Are you arguing with a court's "Finding Of Facts"?  Ole Man | 07/27/09
Everyone has a different point of view.  ShadowGIATL | 07/24/09
You need to join the 21st century Martin.  xuniL_z | 07/24/09
Interesting...  ShadowGIATL | 07/25/09
You misunderstood a few things.  xuniL_z | 07/27/09
Nope... no misunderstanding.  ShadowGIATL | 07/28/09
Yes, ok. I didn't think you were so much disagreeing as "tempering"...but.  xuniL_z | 07/28/09
A book has no effect  Ole Man | 07/25/09
You should know well, heh?  ShadowGIATL | 07/28/09
What bothers me more than that...  mgp3 | 07/24/09
Seriously...  jtiner | 07/24/09
Joke? Why would it be a joke?  Wolfie2K3 | 07/24/09
not entirely  Day24 | 07/24/09
I don't think I'm that far off...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/24/09
Keep in mind...  Viva la crank dodo | 07/27/09
Nah.. More like this:  Wolfie2K3 | 07/24/09
LOL! Good job, dude!  mgp3 | 07/24/09
That is so funny. But I fear that would be the case...  transposeIT | 07/27/09
Wrong remedy.  TripleII | 07/26/09
So it would be ok if MS bought all of the OEMs then?  xuniL_z | 07/28/09
RE: Microsoft agrees to give choice of browsers to Windows 7 users in Europe  kolvas | 07/24/09
RE: Microsoft agrees to give choice of browsers to Windows 7 users in Europe  Henry Miller | 07/24/09
bluff  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 07/24/09
It is also possible that MS doesn't care anymore about browser marketshare  NonZealot | 07/24/09
I agree ...  de-void | 07/24/09
There is one exception  NonZealot | 07/24/09
Not true.  de-void | 07/24/09
I specifically remember the complaints with OWA  NonZealot | 07/24/09
@NZ: Re OWA  de-void | 07/24/09
The logical conclusion is...  Henry Miller | 07/25/09
Worst Nightmare?  djmik | 07/24/09
Respectfully, I think you are missing something.  nick.holmes | 07/24/09
I think  Viva la crank dodo | 07/24/09
Users would have still gotten IE with Windows...  mgp3 | 07/24/09
People would still have gotten wet  MGP4 | 07/25/09
You're welcome, nizuse. But just for the record...  mgp3 | 07/25/09
Microsoft should Open Source IE at this time....  xuniL_z | 07/26/09
And what about Linux/Firefox & Mac OS X/Safari  jrguay | 07/24/09
re  jtiner | 07/24/09
Your answer falls apart with this simple quote  NonZealot | 07/24/09
Re:  jtiner | 07/24/09
Monopoly...  prof123 | 07/24/09
re:  jtiner | 07/24/09
then what's the problem?  Day24 | 07/24/09
@day24  jtiner | 07/24/09
@jtiner  Day24 | 07/24/09
@day24  jtiner | 07/24/09
EPIC FAIL  NonZealot | 07/24/09
I will disagree  jtiner | 07/24/09
You are wrong  NonZealot | 07/24/09
Granted  jtiner | 07/24/09
re: Epic Fail  prof123 | 07/24/09
@ jtiner: Now that's a crock of manure...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/24/09
But Socialism isn't about being free...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/24/09
You didnt answer his question...  NoThomas | 07/24/09
yes, I have answered  jtiner | 07/24/09
Why would the EU be unhappy??  NoThomas | 07/24/09
One reason: MS is a US company, whereas Opera is from Norway (corrected)  de-void | 07/24/09
How hard can it be people..  cy0n | 07/24/09
Ugh! You're right ... correcting my post.  de-void | 07/24/09
If they HAVE to do this  Michael Kelly | 07/24/09
Bad headline  PB_z | 07/24/09
RE: Microsoft agrees to give choice of browsers to Windows 7 users in Europe  Day24 | 07/24/09
Car analogy...  prof123 | 07/24/09
almost...  Day24 | 07/24/09
finally they agreed its was no hard after all  Quebec-french | 07/24/09
One throat to choke  jackbond | 07/24/09
Problem with Firefox..  prof123 | 07/24/09
TOTALLY disagree  NonZealot | 07/24/09
They won't be on the install media (or installed).  nick.holmes | 07/24/09
Pre-installed software  prof123 | 07/24/09
Fair enough  NonZealot | 07/24/09
RE: Microsoft agrees to give choice of browsers to Windows 7 users in Europe  Day24 | 07/24/09
re:  jtiner | 07/24/09
uhm.... NOPE  Day24 | 07/24/09
re  jtiner | 07/24/09
clueless  Day24 | 07/24/09
re  jtiner | 07/24/09
strange view  Day24 | 07/24/09
You are factually incorrect  NonZealot | 07/24/09
I stand corrected  Day24 | 07/24/09
A breath of fresh air  NonZealot | 07/24/09
LOL  Day24 | 07/24/09
I'm Canadian  NonZealot | 07/24/09
ah that explains it  Day24 | 07/24/09
Has it ever occured to you...  SimonUK | 07/24/09
@SimonUK - Trolling??? Me???? C'mon!!!  de-void | 07/24/09
@ Day 24: Just got to wonder where "Center" lies then..  Wolfie2K3 | 07/25/09
RE: Microsoft agrees to give choice of browsers to Windows 7 users in Europe  bhaydama | 07/24/09
Ballot screen phoning home  wolf_z | 07/25/09
RE: Microsoft agrees to give choice of browsers to Windows 7 users in Europe  Loverock Davidson | 07/24/09
Tell me...  Viva la crank dodo | 07/27/09
Great to have government spends millions on what we already have!  Heatlesssun | 07/24/09
Is there anyone in the EU capable of using it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/24/09
Does this mean the solution was too complicated for you?  B.O.F.H. | 07/25/09
Hey, the EC said they are too stupid, not me.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/27/09
The EC ruling relates more to EOM options.  B.O.F.H. | 07/28/09
Ah, EU uses are too dumb to choose on their own  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/28/09
Why do you presume that the UE users have your problem?  B.O.F.H. | 07/28/09
Who are the UE users?
devil
 xuniL_z | 07/29/09
Won't someone sue to stop MS shipping other browsers??  gingoro | 07/24/09
Microsoft agrees? Isn't that nice.  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/24/09
It's the power of money (read: EU fines), I think  MGP4 | 07/24/09
People will just pick Firefox, a browser from another American company.  Dealing | 07/25/09
Dealing, you should research before you post.  wolf_z | 07/25/09
Yo, DoJ, I want a browser choice here in the States...  Basic Logic | 07/25/09
RE: Microsoft agrees to give choice of browsers to Windows 7 users in Europe  3JG Productions Network | 07/27/09
This whole thing has nothing to do with choice  People | 07/27/09
They did it.  crazydanr@... | 07/28/09
Bigger question, will OEMs do it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/28/09
Technically  ShadowGIATL | 07/30/09
Still dont get why this is illegal  Fletchguy | 10/07/09

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