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April 3rd, 2007

Developers petition Microsoft to reconsider FoxPro phase out

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 5:09 am

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On the heels of Microsoft's acknowledgement that it has no plans to continue development of its Visual FoxPro data-centric programming language, two Spanish Most Valuable Professionals (MVPs) have launched a campaign to try to convince Microsoft to reconsider its decision.

Microsoft officially announced late last month that the company has no plans to release FoxPro 10.0. Instead, as many FoxPro developers expected, the 9.0 release is the end of the Microsoft-supported line.

There are still thousands of FoxPro developers and customers, however. And a number of them aren't happy about Microsoft's plans, claiming that Microsoft failed to provide "a convincing explanation or a logical reason" as to why the Redmond software maker won't continue to support FoxPro, according to the "MasFoxPro" portal.

On March 22, a couple of MVPs created this portal — whose Spanish name means "More FoxPro" — to gather petition signatures from FoxPro users and developers. (As of April 2, there were more than 1,400 signatures collected.) The group also is organizing e-mail and phone-calling programs to Microsoft subsidiaries and executives to request a rethinking of Microsoft's FoxPro phase out.

The official discontinuation of FoxPro "has been a major blow to the FoxPro community," according to the MasFoxPro site. "This is especially true for the medium and small application developers (the vast majority of developers in Visual FoxPro), that have many years of Visual FoxPro code. It is not practical or cost effective to attempt to move these applications to Microsoft's recommended development environment (.NET). The community is rethinking its future development platform. Many developers are thinking of moving to Linux development, some to .NET and others to various development environments ranging from Xbase clones to Open Source such as PHP, Pyhton and Ruby.

"Sedna (forthcoming Microsoft-developed add-ons to Visual FoxPro 9.0), VFPx and VFPy (open-source extensions to Sedna) are good initiatives but with a dying product. A software company cannot sell a Visual FoxPro business solution when the competitors can say 'It's developed with a product with no more core upgrades,'" the MasFoxPro site added.

The MasFoxPro group's main goal is to convince Microsoft to release FoxPro 10.0, they say. Short of that, the group is agitating for:

* Microsoft to release the full FoxPro source code to Open Source "even restricted in any way"

* A Microsoft agreement with a third party developer "so that this third party can continue Visual FoxPro development"

* The sale of the FoxPro product to another company

Update: Microsoft provided on April 3 a statement regarding the requests of the FoxPro petitioners. From Alan Griver, a group manager on Microsoft's Visual Studio team: 

"We're very aware of the FoxPro community and that played a large part in what we announced on March 13th. It's never an easy decision toannounce that we're not going to release another version of a productand it's one that we consider very carefully. 

"We're not announcing the end of FoxPro: Obviously, FoxPro applicationswill continue to work.  By some of our internal estimates, there aremore applications running in FoxPro 2.6 than there are in VFP and FoxPro 2.6 hasn't been supported in many years.  Visual FoxPro 9 will be supported by Microsoft through 2015.

"For Microsoft to continue to evolve the FoxPro base, we would need to look at creating a 64-bit development environment and that would involve an almost complete rewrite of the core product.  We've also invested increating a scalable database with SQL Server, including the freely available SQL Server Express Edition. As far as forming a partnershipwith a third-party is concerned, we've heard from a number of large FoxPro customers that this would make it impossible for them to continue to use FoxPro since it would no longer be from an approved vendor. We felt that putting the environment into open source on CodePlex, which balances the needs of both the community and the large customers, was the best path forward."

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I will suport you from here happy
I will suport you from here happy... (Read the rest)
Posted by: chengfa Posted on: 03/21/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
M$ and open source  Linux Geek | 04/03/07
Languages do die...  sinleeh@... | 04/03/07
You are missing the point  vespinas@... | 04/03/07
He missed the point, you got the point  Weldon@... | 04/03/07
Maybe you hit the nail on the head. It is that MS wants more applicactions  DonnieBoy | 04/11/07
This is murder, not death  craneboba | 04/04/07
MS is the no choice solution  LittleGuy | 04/03/07
What about Mom and Pop store?  MISsupport | 04/03/07
Good point  vespinas@... | 04/03/07
Mom and POp shops can use .Net  ea01bg | 04/03/07
Mom and POp shops can use .Net Rebuttal  holzert | 04/03/07
rebuttal  ea01bg | 04/03/07
re: rebruttal  vespinas@... | 04/03/07
Check your development costs have you?  Weldon@... | 04/03/07
Mom and Pop shops can use .Net rebutal 2  MISsupport | 04/03/07
We got our monies worth out of it  ea01bg | 04/03/07
not so fast  MISsupport | 04/03/07
FoxPro was and still is a great environment, the problem is, MS NEVER cared  DonnieBoy | 04/11/07
Come on!  vespinas@... | 04/03/07
If VS were fully baked...  HankFay | 04/03/07
If VS were fully baked...  sackbut | 04/03/07
Burn fox pro.. up with .net!  Been_Done_Before | 04/03/07
It's more than that  MISsupport | 04/03/07
Old??  ahdezm@... | 04/03/07
It is just about learning a new language?  Weldon@... | 04/03/07
If VS were fully baked...  HankFay | 04/03/07
I agree, VS simply isn't ready.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/03/07
Where is this coming from(url, email ...)?  MISsupport | 04/03/07
If they killed VB, they have no  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/03/07
The problem is, MS wants managed code...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/03/07
Got to agree with you there N_A_2_G (nt)  BanjoPaterson | 04/03/07
True, but they also do not care about FoxPro other than how it helps to  DonnieBoy | 04/11/07
I have to agree  vespinas@... | 04/12/07
.NET? Not the same power  ahdezm@... | 04/03/07
Going Linux  Weldon@... | 04/03/07
Obviously No Clue  Weldon@... | 04/03/07
From Russian FoxClub  Ravil_Th | 04/05/07
www.foxclub.ru say this  piva123 | 04/05/07
(from FoxClub)  Vladimir_Knyr | 04/06/07
From Kazakhstan  ddw2@... | 04/06/07
Out with the VERY OLD and in with the NEW  Been_Done_Before | 04/10/07
Is not about learning a new language  vespinas@... | 04/10/07
Errata  vespinas@... | 04/10/07
To help you  joaquimc | 04/13/07
Call BS  cander@... | 11/17/07
C is even older, so maybe MS should discontinue all C programming tools as  DonnieBoy | 04/11/07
For those who don't know VFP  joaquimc | 04/13/07
RE: Developers petition Microsoft to reconsider FoxPro phase out  tghfox | 03/21/08
I will suport you from here happy  chengfa | 03/21/08

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