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August 11th, 2009

Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 7:42 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Google, Search, Yahoo

Tags: Google Inc., Search Result, Corporate Communications, Blogging, Cloud Computing, Marketing, Internet, Mary Jo Foley

It’s hard to imagine big, bad search monopolist Google quaking in its boots over Bing (or even Bing+Yahoo). Yet just a couple of months after Microsoft launched Bing, Google announced it is tweaking its own search infrastructure.

Google officials said on August 10 that the company is seeking help testing a new-and-improved search system, codenamed “Caffeine” — complete with changes to its indexing, ranking and crawling mechanisms. Silicon Alley Insider speculates that Caffeine could be the “secret project” to which the New York Post was referring back in June when it reported that Google cofounder Sergey Brin was assembling a crack team of Google search experts to tweak Google’s engine in response to Bing.

Bing, the revamped Live Search, included a number of user-interface changes, as well as tweaks to the underlying Microsoft search algorithm. The Caffeine test site — which anyone can try themselves starting August 10 — doesn’t offer any kind of noticeable UI tweaks. It does, however, change the way results are ranked.

Search Engine Land did a side-by-side comparison of a search for “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” using the old and new Google engines. They found the new Google infrastructure returned video and news results midway down the page. The current Google search system, however, returned news at the top, video in the middle, and images at the bottom of the page, Search Engine Land found.

What about comparing a Bing search to a Google Caffeine search? Here’s how a search for “Moby” looked when I used Caffeine. (Click on the image to enlarge it.)

And here’s how it looked with Bing:

With Bing, Moby images are the first link. The whole Bing page feels more like a site optimized to sell users something: Moby MP3 downloads, ringtones, posters, t-shirts. With Caffeine, video links are fourth on the page. News and blog posts about Moby are a little further down. On Bing, news and blog links are nowhere to be found on the first page of results.

Caffeine and the exiting Google search results are less different from one another than are Google’s and Bing’s results. Here’s what a search on Moby on the existing Google infrastructure looks like:

Video results are in roughly the same place using the current Google search infrastructure as they are when using Caffeine. With the existing infrastructure, image results are at the bottom of the first page of results. News and blog results are — the same way they are with Caffeine — about two-thirds of the way down the page.

I realize this is hardly a definitive test. I’m sure search-engine experts will be dissecting Caffeine far more thoroughly in the coming days. But so far, I’m hard-pressed to say that Google’s Caffeine indexing system seems like it is meant to yield results that are more Bing-like in any way.

What’s your take? Is Caffeine a response to Bing? Do you see any tweaks Google is proposing with Caffeine as being in response to Bing?

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Google's 'Caffeine' and Bing
I have to Dis-AGREE with you on that. I am a google fan since I seen them on TECHtv (Remember Leo Laporte. 98" or was it 99"). Google search is very good but. Give BING a try, you willl like the the a... (Read the rest)
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no caffeine needed  Linux Geek | 08/11/09
Total Disagree...  Kromaethius | 08/11/09
re  jimk_z | 08/12/09
Right, no Question...  Kromaethius | 08/12/09
re  kevinyang1977 | 08/15/09
no google needed  itpro_z | 08/11/09
Google is #1  prof123 | 08/11/09
What?  jimk_z | 08/12/09
Re: What  samofdetroit | 08/12/09
I agree...  Kromaethius | 08/12/09
Translation for all this?  UAC nanny screen | 08/13/09
Bing . . .  brian ansorge | 08/14/09
Not quite...  jasonp@... | 08/14/09
BWAAHAHAHAH!!!!  storm14k | 08/12/09
Pathetic? Bing=BLIND leading the BLIND 4 the BLIND! grin  i2fun@... | 08/12/09
Google = Internet Search  Flying Pig | 08/13/09
Google = spyware  azBob111 | 08/15/09
azBob111 = idiot  Larsix | 08/18/09
Post should be deleted...  transposeIT | 08/19/09
Really?  jongunn@... | 08/13/09
M$ Bang? Really? how childish.  Fark | 08/11/09
He's not interested...  MSFTWorshipper | 08/11/09
MS = Great products...  linuxer | 08/12/09
Google su*** big time  iHateLusers | 08/11/09
ridiculous comment  stevey_d | 08/12/09
Bing me up, Scotty...  cosuna | 08/12/09
haha (nt)  midenginedrift | 08/12/09
Kurt Cobain  jabailo1 | 08/11/09
Kurt Cobain  Safado | 08/11/09
Not only that  Loverock Davidson | 08/11/09
predictable  mojorison67@... | 08/12/09
More detailed?  jasonp@... | 08/14/09
Kurt Cobain's House  BIGELLOW | 08/14/09
I tried it  prof123 | 08/11/09
One thing is for sure...  Safado | 08/11/09
just did it --- nothing  pupkin_z | 08/11/09
stupid?  jongunn@... | 08/13/09
Well, let's look at the difference side by side, shall we?  xuniL_z | 08/11/09
Awesome!  Joe_Raby | 08/11/09
Hey! that's slick!  Drakaran | 08/13/09
i tried that location on...  guptasameer@... | 08/15/09
I tried it too  kevinkobayashi | 08/13/09
how about some other unknown places...  paulinm@... | 08/12/09
Ok...so what?  BigTipper | 08/11/09
Maps: Google vs. Bing  lalogos | 08/12/09
I partially agree...  scorchgeek | 08/13/09
Mapquest should have better maps...  jasonp@... | 08/14/09
Google "rankings"  Joe_Raby | 08/11/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  Loverock Davidson | 08/11/09
Unlike Google....  Joe_Raby | 08/11/09
sure that's why the figures show people try it and go back to google  stevey_d | 08/12/09
MS Bing bringing Google down???  linuxer | 08/12/09
Google is losing staff  Joe_Raby | 08/11/09
People come, people go (at Google).  B.O.F.H. | 08/11/09
google 2q results were increased revenue, microsoft's revenues were down  stevey_d | 08/12/09
Bing has better technology  Joe_Raby | 08/11/09
Cuil?  flhu | 08/11/09
Absolutely nothing backs up your claim  Joe_Raby | 08/11/09
Google is better  kevinf@... | 08/12/09
Bing uses Hadoop.  B.O.F.H. | 08/11/09
Hadoop has nothing to do with the search algorithms  Joe_Raby | 08/11/09
Microsoft just acquired a company that searches Wikipedia.  B.O.F.H. | 08/11/09
You're so wrong!  Joe_Raby | 08/11/09
Ok, since you claim to know the technology involved...  B.O.F.H. | 08/11/09
It's not complicated - try to keep up.  Joe_Raby | 08/11/09
So no direct actual knowledge on your part.  B.O.F.H. | 08/11/09
Yes, actually  Joe_Raby | 08/11/09
Yep Bing is very much like Cuil...  storm14k | 08/12/09
Well your Microsoft envy is spilling out of your ear...Yuck...  transposeIT | 08/19/09
Tech doesn't matter, results do.  Larsix | 08/18/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  Djblois | 08/11/09
Bing is great.  progon | 08/11/09
shock one person chooses bing over google  stevey_d | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  Fahrbot | 08/11/09
I did notice some similarities.  flhu | 08/11/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  Shelendrea | 08/11/09
Mary-Jo's nose grows?  martin23 | 08/11/09
I agree...  mrdt | 08/12/09
Google still gives better more relevant  xXSpeedzXx | 08/11/09
Bing gives much more relevant results from my perspective....they are not..  xuniL_z | 08/11/09
Marke share not a good indicator because of Google monopoly?  storm14k | 08/12/09
google pages are not ranked by $$$ at all  stevey_d | 08/12/09
I don't see it  joe620 | 08/11/09
how can it be?  Bozzer | 08/12/09
When people working at a highly successful company get rich,  HollywoodDog | 08/11/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  doubleshotweb | 08/11/09
Compare Caffeine to Decaf  doubleshotweb | 08/11/09
Caffeine? Definitely people at Google are having sleepless nights...  transposeIT | 08/11/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  jimk_z | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  simmondia | 08/12/09
Google Search Needs a Facelift  jpr75_z | 08/12/09
no it doesn't  stevey_d | 08/12/09
@stevey_d who appointed you spokesperson?  BigTipper | 08/12/09
So?  scorchgeek | 08/13/09
Google's 'Caffeine' search results vs. plain Google  ebhb2004@... | 08/12/09
Are We Still....  mb96001@... | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  DragonlordWarlock | 08/12/09
One feature that would be useful in Google search  mhenriday | 08/12/09
RE: Bing's results are terrible  youngatty | 08/12/09
Tried it with my name in quotation marks -  mhenriday | 08/12/09
RE: TOTALLY WRONG. Reality is here  taranfx@... | 08/12/09
Master Joe Says...  MasterJoe | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  zealu | 08/12/09
Google is no longer allow to improve?  Randalllind | 08/12/09
Use whatever you like best  mojorison67@... | 08/12/09
Bad test criteria  dixonhoyle@... | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  Rick_S1 | 08/12/09
Bing's has taken control  jebswebs | 08/12/09
Bing has lost control  jebswebs | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  alex@... | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  jhand47201 | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  korn33@... | 08/12/09
They are all a comprehensive fail.  Clockwork Computer | 08/12/09
caffine isn't a response to bing.  ZDnet Reader 43 | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  SorinN | 08/12/09
'Caffeine' is NOT a response to Bing.  cyberpundit | 08/12/09
"What's the need of a new (or tweaked) Search Engine?"  abhaykulkarni16@... | 08/12/09
Just ran a few searches on both Bing and Google...  kingmph@... | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  dianecmiles@... | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  dianecmiles@... | 08/12/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  ikara.au@... | 08/13/09
Google's 'Caffeine' and Bing  Flying Pig | 08/13/09
Google's 'Caffeine' and Bing  tony_a_brown@... | 10/02/09
I Like Search Engines Like My Scarecrows -- No Brain.  worldnick | 08/14/09
Pay me - I'll start using BING  hhazarika | 08/14/09
Re:Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  kevinyang1977 | 08/15/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  kevinyang1977 | 08/15/09
Re:Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  kevinyang1977 | 08/15/09
Google and comparison shopping links  sk.dunnage@... | 08/20/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  calumg | 08/25/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  Woned B. Fooldagan | 08/25/09
RE: Are Google's 'Caffeine' search results more like Bing's?  Adastraseo | 08/31/09

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