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April 10th, 2007

Vista: Whatever happened to fast boot?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 6:35 am

Categories: Vista, Windows 7, Windows XP, Windows client

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Anyone else remember when Microsoft used to talk about making Windows Vista (or Longhorn, as it was then known) a fast-booting operating system. Fast, as in cold boots that were 50 percent faster than those possible with Windows XP?

Something obviously went awry.

As Computerworld is reporting, a number of Vista users are none too happy about Vista boot-up times. Some are questioning whether Microsoft is advocating that users just put Vista into sleep mode, as opposed to shutting down systems on a daily basis, to mask the sluggish boot up.

(And it's not just boot up speeds that are troublesome. Vista shutdown is as slow as molasses, too, Computerworld is reporting users as saying. And app-loading times are nothing to write home about, either.)

Microsoft has been touting the sleep/hibernate modes as the preferred ways to "shut off" Vista systems. As former Windows Chief Jim Allchin blogged in December:

"Everyone knows that turning a TV off doesn’t really turn it off. It is still available to receive the remote control signal, etc. so that it can come back on quickly. We wanted to emulate this for Windows Vista machines.

"To the degree possible, 'off' equals 'sleep' in Windows Vista, where the system state is saved in RAM. This creates the best balance of user experience for speed of resuming and lowest usage of power. However, if the PC is running on batteries even that minimal power usage could drain the batteries eventually. Remember the top goal here is to make sure that we can enable a fast on experience (like your cell phone) and a fast off experience, while still making sure that you don't lose your work when a Windows PC is turned off. To do this, we created a new approach that we call 'hybrid sleep state' that is the best of the sleep and hibernate modes (which existed separately in Windows XP)."

From the reaction on the Vista support forums, it doesn't seem like users are cottoning to Microsoft's sleep/hibernate Vista settings.

What's your take? Does Microsoft need to rethink its Windows power-management defaults with Windows Seven and beyond?

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Hybernate mode draws no power
It is by no means "irresponsible" to just suggest that users hibernate instead of shutting down.

Hibernation simply saves an image of RAM to the hard drive before powering off. On the next boo... (Read the rest)
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Startup is that bad  jfp | 04/10/07
startup ok, shutdown HORRIBLE!  Smarty_Pantz | 04/10/07
Bad but not worst  Hey U | 04/11/07
Cannot agree, even Millennium wasn't as slow as Vista shutting down  Scrat | 04/12/07
shutdown horrible  jguyp725@... | 05/03/07
Waiting for Shutdown?  pj_mouse | 04/12/07
Shutdown is part of Restart...  Dr. John | 05/03/07
RE: Shutdown Times  BernieLyons | 05/05/07
Is it Vista or the hardware?  voska | 04/10/07
A new PC is a super computer. So I don't  LittleGuy | 04/10/07
It's the HardWare  noahjwhite@... | 04/11/07
Is the hardware, look no more!  wolverine@... | 04/11/07
Sleep is off  NonZealot | 04/10/07
My Take? Don't people have better things to do...  ye | 04/10/07
Perhaps you should discuss this with George Ou.  B.O.F.H. | 04/10/07
George will tell you that Vista...  bportlock | 04/10/07
How I calculate  toadlife | 04/10/07
Really?  jjarman | 04/11/07
Might be my hardware  toadlife | 04/12/07
Depends on where you draw the line  Chad_z | 04/12/07
You are quite correct....  bportlock | 04/10/07
Use Hibernate!  mrmckeb@... | 04/10/07
Hibernate warning  esteckis@... | 04/10/07
Use Hibernate!  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
Fine untill your memory fragments  LittleGuy | 04/10/07
Hasn't happened yet!  NonZealot | 04/10/07
XP not rebooted in a month.  redtrain65 | 04/10/07
Hasn't happened yet!  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
Memory isn't Disk  cbreaker | 11/20/07
In general I agree  TripleII | 04/10/07
Was that  zkiwi | 04/10/07
I think something is wrong with you nonzealot...  ju1ce | 04/10/07
Still needs an occasional complete reboot  CobraA1 | 04/10/07
What does it say?  Ole Man | 04/10/07
Can someone tell me what Vista is doing  LittleGuy | 04/10/07
How about a bill  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/07
Yes listen to the Microsoft drone .  Intellihence | 04/10/07
Yes, listen to the mindless drone.  John Zern | 04/10/07
So then, BE A BIG BOY  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/07
Typical  dolph0291 | 04/10/07
ITs A Bush Cronie...  filizaragoza@... | 04/10/07
Carbon Credits  M.R. Kennedy | 04/10/07
I'll take it!!!  middle of nowhere | 04/10/07
Not a chance! (nt)  M.R. Kennedy | 04/11/07
Hope the Global Warming burns your house down  dobestpossible@... | 05/18/07
Why would they do that?  voska | 04/10/07
If its such a critical thing to them...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/07
Talking about simple...  TerryNT | 04/10/07
Silliness  M.R. Kennedy | 04/10/07
But it is worth mentioning  voska | 04/10/07
But is it REALLY a bother?  M.R. Kennedy | 04/11/07
But is it REALLY a bother?  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
Sounds Exactly Like You  Ole Man | 04/11/07
re:Can someone tell me what Vista is doing  msanda_77@... | 04/10/07
E.T. is probably trying to phone home with no success .  Intellihence | 04/10/07
Most likely  John Zern | 04/10/07
Vista can tell you  threedaysdwn | 04/10/07
So what is it and what is it doing?  LittleGuy | 04/10/07
You already have  Ole Man | 04/10/07
Can someone tell me what Vista is doing  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
Why turn the machine off  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/07
Why not turn the machine off?  Reverend MacFellow | 04/10/07
And the really smart ones  John Zern | 04/10/07
So why haven't you switched?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/07
And who's stooping to name calling now  voska | 04/10/07
He Lies A LOT  itanalyst | 04/10/07
Because MS controls DirectX  MrCrun | 04/11/07
Why turn the machine off?  M.R. Kennedy | 04/10/07
I'm NOT an IT specialist,  tkepner | 04/10/07
Neither am I...  M.R. Kennedy | 04/11/07
Why put a computer in sleep/hibernate  startx.jeff | 04/10/07
True, but then don't cry  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/07
True, but then don't cry  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
I agree....  bportlock | 04/10/07
To save power/money .  Intellihence | 04/10/07
How much power/money?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/07
About $40 a year  voska | 04/10/07
Huh?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/07
That's the house hold in total  voska | 04/10/07
Make the switch, use the down time  pbusher1997@... | 04/10/07
california?  richvball44 | 04/15/07
Huh?  Imaginos1892 | 04/11/07
Some of us use laptops.  B.O.F.H. | 04/10/07
Some of us use laptops.  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
To clarify on Hibernate  cywelchjr | 04/11/07
Why turn off?  tedlloyd | 04/10/07
I go weeks before rebooting  voska | 04/10/07
HELLO M$ ZEALOT!  nix_hed | 04/10/07
Why turn the machine off  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
why? I'll tell you!  devlin_X | 04/22/07
What you use a pc for  jeffw@... | 05/01/07
don't change the subject  ChazzMatt | 05/08/07
All you sleep/hibernate pundits:  OButterball | 04/10/07
Gee, I have machines with  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/07
Then you're machines are insecure  voska | 04/10/07
Wow, 10 years...  OButterball | 04/10/07
It was an old box long forgotten about  voska | 04/10/07
That is the ONLY beef I have with Linux/UNIX:  OButterball | 04/10/07
That is the ONLY beef I have with Linux/UNIX:  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
Oooo, that's good, aussiebind!  OButterball | 04/11/07
WHAT power switch?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/10/07
WHAT power switch?  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
Really? Gee, must not have done any critical updates, eh, Axey?  OButterball | 04/10/07
More Than Likely Linux/Unix  itanalyst | 04/10/07
Even then does the kernel update affect you or not...  Linux User 147560 | 04/10/07
None needed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/07
So, Axey admits that the only long-term, reliable use ...  OButterball | 04/10/07
OK LOL  voska | 04/10/07
They Must Be Linux/Sun Machines Then  itanalyst | 04/10/07
Really? Then you can't have patched them either!  Zogg | 04/10/07
Gee, I have machines with  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
Uptimes  M.R. Kennedy | 04/10/07
Only 106 days?  Linux User 147560 | 04/10/07
Read for comprehension  M.R. Kennedy | 04/10/07
No I understand a superior system when I run one...  Linux User 147560 | 04/11/07
doesn't apply  zoroaster | 04/10/07
that's a phony 'feature'  Linux Geek | 04/10/07
agree it is disingenuous to call it a feature  bruce88 | 04/10/07
agree it is disingenuous to call it a feature  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
WinDos is full of it  zoroaster | 04/10/07
Shut up, fool.  James T. Kirk | 04/11/07
New Windows Vista does boot faster  Leria | 04/10/07
Did you ever think it might have something to do  LittleGuy | 04/10/07
Let's also not forget...  ju1ce | 04/10/07
My PC takes 5 minutes to boot with XP  voska | 04/10/07
My PC takes 5 minutes to boot with XP  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
I've seen adware bog down pc's this much  intrepi@... | 04/12/07
Dual Boot Comparison  M.R. Kennedy | 04/10/07
Actually you are incorrect...  Linux User 147560 | 04/10/07
Same here, Vista boots faster cold than XP does with same applications  progon | 04/10/07
Bootup is Not Just Seeing the Desktop  mijcar | 04/10/07
New Windows Vista does boot faster  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
New Windows Vista does boot faster  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
sleep still doesn't work  bruce@... | 04/10/07
Too Much Crap Running  Stephen.Smith@... | 04/10/07
too much poorly written bloatware  mikebel777 | 04/10/07
Just curious  Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/10/07
How about some numbers?  wolf_z | 04/10/07
Cow's in the pasture with Defender  intrepi@... | 04/10/07
Cow's in the pasture with Defender  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
What ever happened well thought off argument?  msanda_77@... | 04/10/07
Brilliant  rushnrockt | 04/10/07
What ever happened well thought off argument?  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
What ever happened well thought off argument?  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
OZ - funny lad !!  jack-daniels@... | 04/11/07
You related to No_Ax-To_Grind ?  intrepi@... | 04/12/07
What about electircity consumption  tombalablomba | 04/10/07
SO do you unplug  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/07
Unless you unplug it, ...  mwagner@... | 04/10/07
Thermal shock  Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/10/07
Thermal shock is one  Linux User 147560 | 04/10/07
Thermal shock is one  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
Goof  socialism=nowhere | 04/11/07
power consumption  zoroaster | 04/10/07
What do people mean by "boot" and "shutdown"?  j.m.galvin | 04/10/07
Could be an issue with how the Apps are shut down  John Zern | 04/10/07
I don't think that's it  j.m.galvin | 04/10/07
Some Do  socialism=nowhere | 04/11/07
It does boot faster, but...  BitTwiddler | 04/10/07
Hibernation and sleep modes...  Raymond Danner | 04/10/07
I am not so sure Vista IS slower ...  mwagner@... | 04/10/07
Anticipatory  Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/10/07
yup, you have it right  CobraA1 | 04/10/07
Here's a good video  CobraA1 | 04/10/07
The "power surge" is pretty short  CobraA1 | 04/10/07
I've never waited  voska | 04/10/07
Probably about the same or a little slower  WiredGuy | 04/10/07
I am not so sure Vista IS slower ...  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
From what I can tell  CobraA1 | 04/10/07
I'm just waiting the day...  hal9000mx | 04/10/07
I'm just waiting the day...  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
They were supposed to make it more secure, too.  ejhonda | 04/10/07
IT support folks need a fast cold-boot.  mathandmetal | 04/10/07
IT support folks need a fast cold-boot.  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
Seems faster to me  carnac | 04/10/07
Message has been deleted.  Narg | 04/10/07
readyboost more like DEADyboost  tommcd64 | 04/10/07
You have to have a good flash drive.  Narg | 04/11/07
The title could be better  code_Warrior | 04/10/07
um specs please  JABBER_WOLF | 04/10/07
Is it really an MS issue?  lkujala | 04/10/07
Is it really an MS issue?  aussieblnd@... | 04/11/07
Not surprising..  Freebird54 | 04/10/07
Benchmark FYI  gsteele531@... | 04/10/07
VISTA STINKS  mark226@... | 04/10/07
(FU)DRM Checks  rtb | 04/10/07
Vista slow boot, etc.  jtrent@... | 04/10/07
LMAOROTF....Yeah VISTA STINKS!!!  mrdood_99205@... | 04/10/07
May be, and may be not  altobing@... | 04/10/07
Fair Judgement?  tomax7 | 04/23/07
Jim Allchin's weasel talk.  kraterz | 04/10/07
It must be faster ...MS never lies to us do they ?  intrepi@... | 04/10/07
sluggish boot and shut down  mitchlund | 04/10/07
You're right Mary, they failed to deliver fast boot  georgeou | 04/10/07
Be interesting to do comparison on same h/w  BanjoPaterson | 04/11/07
in defense of the idiot George....  kRogue | 04/11/07
Comparing Windows to Mac or Linux is a joke  KRowe (LinuxZealot) | 04/22/07
I've pretty much always used "Sleep" mode since coming back to Windows...  Jeff Hayes | 04/10/07
Back to MainFrame  ahjefri@... | 04/10/07
Not True - Just more Blah, Blah.  jpr75_z | 04/10/07
Boot Times  cywelchjr | 04/11/07
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO FB!!  jack-daniels@... | 04/11/07
Defrag Rules!  Vivek Nair | 04/11/07
you're kidding right?  tomax7 | 04/23/07
Switch Off - Saves Power / Abrupt ShutDowns  kunals21@... | 04/11/07
No sleep till it works properly  Andrej.G. | 04/11/07
64bit maybe  mames1701 | 04/11/07
Slow boot and Hard Drive chatter  stevenpowers@... | 04/11/07
It could be the amount of RAM  balsover | 04/11/07
Piracy  robert.toungate@... | 04/11/07
I don't think that...  msalzberg | 04/11/07
And where is most of Microsoft's piracy problem?  HypnoToad72 | 04/24/07
where is most of Microsoft's piracy problem?  Ole Man | 05/05/07
Dual Boot System  Steve Goldman | 04/11/07
23 seconds for me  bill@... | 04/11/07
Configuration is the key to bootup time  dboccio@... | 04/11/07
sleep mode and boot up time  hansonjb | 04/11/07
waking up is not booting up  kRogue | 04/11/07
bloat  kershawfamily@... | 04/11/07
Just get a Mac  georgep_z | 04/11/07
Hmmmmmmm.....  Hard Cider | 04/11/07
uhh..yes start up problems with OSX  tomax7 | 04/23/07
don't say never  tomax7 | 04/23/07
Startup/shutdown  aljel_z | 04/11/07
Too much automation  ercmail@... | 04/11/07
*boogle*  ceward_z | 04/11/07
Vista never booted slow  zeusx64@... | 04/11/07
Real Deal  yagijd | 04/11/07
Stop Yer Whining.  andrej770 | 04/12/07
they also said...  tomax7 | 04/23/07
Vista complaints  mpasaa | 04/12/07
Over-hyped issue  daMan25 | 04/12/07
Bootup seems faster to me  mgrubb@... | 04/12/07
Yikes! I'm not happy!  I am Gorby | 04/12/07
Vista Hiber/Sleep instead of Shutting Down  daves1646 | 04/12/07
I went back to XP  JackPastor | 04/17/07
Fast Boooot...zzzz  tomax7 | 04/23/07
From that link, someone claims it takes 6 MINUTES from power-up to  HypnoToad72 | 04/24/07
Vista Needs Updated hardware for smooth running  tonycap1@... | 04/25/07
Vista Boot up and Shut down time  recovery@... | 05/03/07
Slow boot-Shutdown Blah. Try copying a small file  ashok_k_gupta@... | 05/07/07
Viszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzta  tomax7 | 06/13/07
copy time  tomax7 | 06/13/07
Sleep and hibernate fail and shutdown never ends  halsplace | 07/09/07
Swtiching - Easier said than done(work)  jlbrown23@... | 07/09/07
Vista: Decent boot; dreadful shutdown.  Solid Jedi Knight | 01/24/08
sleep mode instead of 'off' is irresponsible  brendan@... | 01/30/08
Hybernate mode draws no power  joelwhitehouse@... | 03/21/08

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