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May 16th, 2007

Microsoft: If we're violating IP, 'we'll take a license'

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 9:53 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Legal, Linux, Novell

Tags: Patent, Open Source, Open-source Software, IP, Microsoft Corp., Mary Jo Foley

On May 13, Microsoft finally put a number behind its previous claims that open-source software violated Microsoft patents. In an article published in Fortune Magazine, Microsoft IP lawyers claimed that free and open-source software (FOSS) violates 235 Microsoft patents.

Now, courtesy of the same Microsoft public-relations representative who provided us press/blogger folks with Microsoft’s full statement on May 14 on its latest patent-infringement claims, here are a couple more Microsoft sound bites on this issue.


Q: What kinds of tools/processes did Microsoft use to determine which open-source code allegedly infringes on Microsoft’s patents?

A: No further details are available at this time.

Q: Some in the industry are saying that this isn’t a one-way street — that Microsoft’s technology likely infringes on open source patents. What’s Microsoft’s response to that?

A: “In 2003 Microsoft announced that we were open for business and would license our IP to all comers including open source. Our patent portfolio scores very high on patent quality and science linkage (http://www.patentboard.com/home/index.asp?c=13). As you may know
Microsoft also licenses in the third party patent rights we need to stand behind our products and offer our customers industry leading IP indemnification.

“In the past three years we have paid more than $1.4 billion to license third party patent rights. If a company is interested in using Microsoft’s IP to innovate in the marketplace they should come talk to us. Conversely, if a company believes we are using its IP they should come talk to us as well. If it is true we will take a license. That is how innovation industries work. Everyone should play by the same rules.”

Q: Why is Microsoft going public with more specifics — in terms of numbers and general technology areas allegedly infringing on your patents — now? Why this week?

A: “The latest draft of the GPLv3 attempts to tear down the bridge that Microsoft and Novell have built between proprietary and open source software. Now that we have a solution in place we’re discussing the patent issue more directly in an effort to call attention to the problem and emphasize the important need for the bridge in a world where many customers have mixed technology solutions.

“The patent issue has been recognized by others in the industry. Richard Stallman, the founder of the Free Software Foundation, and other free software leaders believe there is overlap between our IP portfolio and various open source software components. This is further supported by a review done by the Open Source-lead Open Source Risk Management group indicating areas of IP overlap between major software vendors and open source.

“Now that we have built a bridge our focus is on making it work.”

That’s one heck of a strategy for building bridges between proprietary and open source. Looks more like bombing bridges, to me….

I’m still waiting to see what Bill Hilf, Microsoft’s general manager of platform strategy, is going to say about all this. Hilf posted to the Microsoft Port 25 blog that he was misquoted on various inflammatory statements about Linux, which were published in Bangkok the same time that Microsoft went public with its patent-infringement claims in Fortune. But so far, Hilf’s been mum on Microsoft’s IP lawyers’ comments.

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Posted by: Ole Man Posted on: 07/06/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Ya gotta love the answer to the first question: "No futher details are  DonnieBoy | 05/16/07
Ya gotta love the people  John Zern | 05/16/07
When ?  magcomment | 05/16/07
If I was making wild arse acusations, I would give the details, or I would  DonnieBoy | 05/16/07
If you had anything of value or stockholders  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
And therein lies the problem  BobF_z | 05/17/07
So true, the bad lawyers will encourage you to create legal problems that  DonnieBoy | 05/17/07
And, are lawyers also experts on puplic relations?? Do Lawyers know  DonnieBoy | 05/17/07
You seem to thing PR matters  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/17/07
Your kidding...  Northwolf | 05/18/07
What the hell?  devlin_X | 06/08/07
Why not state which patents are being violated?  maldain | 05/17/07
Since MS proxy SCOX .....  Northwolf | 05/18/07
Sounds Just Like the US Gov't  andrej770 | 05/29/07
It's pretty simple  tombalablomba | 05/16/07
So, MS licensing payments to Eolas will start flowing...  dpnewkirk | 05/16/07
Why would they pay?  KTLA | 05/16/07
Patents vs. Trademarks  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/16/07
Can lose patent damages by delays  phil@... | 05/17/07
The land of make beleive ...  MisterMiester | 05/16/07
One set of rules  StorageGuru | 05/16/07
I agree  IMS_Scott | 05/16/07
Re: IMS_Scott Right! Software Patents Cripple Innovation! happy  i2fun@... | 05/17/07
I second that  magcomment | 05/16/07
Quite right  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/16/07
one set of rule for multiple country ?????  Quebec-french | 05/17/07
Useless Information  D. T. Schmitz | 05/16/07
Microsoft will take a license IF they get to write the license ...  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
Not really  Confused by religion | 05/16/07
I'm sure that was intentional  Michael Kelly | 05/16/07
Let me make it simple for you ...  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
I guess you never heard of negotiating.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
Negociating what?  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
ANYTHING can be negotiated.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
Those who negociate with MS always ending losing their shirts ...  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
You can throw a billion dollars at RMS or the FSF  Michael Kelly | 05/16/07
When did MS ever publiccly state that  John Zern | 05/16/07
I'm sure he means "free as in freedom"  Michael Kelly | 05/16/07
Free as in GPL John ... Guess I thought it would be obvious ...  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
Frankly...  A_Pickle | 05/16/07
So don't "utilize a BIT of [GPL] code"!  Zogg | 05/17/07
You can use GPL code..  Northwolf | 05/18/07
As distinct from, for instance,  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/16/07
Ah, yes, especially the part where they negotiated  Ole Man | 05/17/07
Correction  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/16/07
Wouldn't it be funny....  Northwolf | 05/18/07
Really? Novell doesn't agree with you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
Novell doesn't agree with MS as to what the agreement covers either ...  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
Does it matter at all?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
You have a point ... why should ethics matter ...  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
Ethics??? Its Linux that is infringing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
That's *potentially* infringing.  Zogg | 05/16/07
Go tell Stallman.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
Still afraid to cite, eh?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/16/07
sigh  sjaaxken | 05/17/07
What is unethical...  handydan918 | 05/17/07
Why Should Ethics Matter  windozefreak | 05/17/07
Microsoft Wouldn't Pay to License This Patent  Roger_Jennings | 05/16/07
Interesting  Michael Kelly | 05/16/07
License terms  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/16/07
So, what is your point?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
Mind if I use this statement  Michael Kelly | 05/16/07
I suggest nothing...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
How is it a loss to users?  Michael Kelly | 05/16/07
Gee, ask the THOUSANDS that did it  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
Interoperability? Say what?  Resuna | 05/17/07
And you don't use terms propperly...  Jxn | 05/21/07
Yes, that's the point.  Resuna | 05/17/07
The point is...  Northwolf | 05/18/07
Talk is cheap  D. T. Schmitz | 05/16/07
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
What advantage is that  voska | 05/16/07
Say what?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
Advatages... yeah uh,huh.  gfolkert | 05/18/07
Report says 90% of murderers claim to be innocent  Ole Man | 06/27/07
Mary Jo, are you afraid to answer?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
She probably has better things to do with her time .. happy  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
Yeah, like make up more bogus statements  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
We all notice that you have been really busy lately ...  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
Don't cry because you can't.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
I am betting you are wrong, he doesn't have anything better to do.  B.O.F.H. | 05/16/07
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
You are one of the first people to ever say that 194cm was little...  B.O.F.H. | 05/16/07
Naw... he's just...  Northwolf | 05/18/07
Not a chance  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/16/07
Backside?  Mary Jo FoleyZDNet Moderator | 05/16/07
Backside? Novell  LilBambi_z | 05/17/07
Smoke and Mirrors  gotitright | 05/17/07
IT and Users...  Northwolf | 05/18/07
Excellent point that illustrates the stupidity of MS's statements ...  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
This was intended as a response to Michael Kellys post ...  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
Well Said!!!  wwwsupport | 05/18/07
Anyone else notice that MS is not fairing well in the press on this?  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
Could not have said it better myself. MS really has no where to go here.  DonnieBoy | 05/16/07
Not really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
Nothing to whine over ... I'm happy with the press coverage happy  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
Too many people equating this to SCO when they shouldn't.  ye | 05/16/07
You're correct  Tony Agudo | 05/16/07
May I ask a serious question?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
Stallman is his own worst enemy.  ye | 05/16/07
Did I say I wanted a declaratory judgement?  Tony Agudo | 05/16/07
Patent War? According to this article...  ye | 05/17/07
No_Axe try listen to Tony Agudo , he makes perfect sense .  I'm Ye, the MS SHILL . | 05/17/07
Tony, you said...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/17/07
No_Azz and his statistical analysis/logic problems.  handydan918 | 05/17/07
No_Ax... learn to spell while you spin  kckn4fun | 05/17/07
There's no lawsuit to nothing to settle at this time.  ye | 05/16/07
There doesn't need to be a lawsuit...  Tony Agudo | 05/16/07
Yes, there needs to be a lawsuit.  ye | 05/17/07
True, its nothing like SCO  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/07
"True, its nothing like SCO , YET ."  I'm Ye, the MS SHILL . | 05/17/07
Identical? No. Very similar? Most definitely.  Zogg | 05/17/07
Key difference: SCO filed a lawsuit, MS has not.  ye | 05/17/07
MS may not be LEGALLY required to show evidense, but, public relations wise  DonnieBoy | 05/17/07
To my knowledge MS hasn't threatened...  ye | 05/17/07
And until MS specifies which patents are supposedly being infringed...  Zogg | 05/17/07
So you finally agree that Microsoft is infringing on OSS .  I'm Ye, the MS SHILL . | 05/17/07
Finally agree? I don't recall ever having...  ye | 05/17/07
You must not recall too long  Ole Man | 06/27/07
Yeah this is worse!!!  wizardb@... | 05/17/07
MS is trying the same as SCOX, same result..LOL.(nt)  Northwolf | 05/18/07
Whining?  djchandler | 05/17/07
I notice that Kiss_Ax is doing his best to spin this  critic-at-arms | 05/17/07
Be very afraid.  gfolkert | 05/18/07
Interesting phrase  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/16/07
MS has been 'taking' what they want for so long ...  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
And the other way around, too  John Zern | 05/16/07
Why would anyone want Miorsoft code , it's insecure & unstable .  I'm Ye, the MS SHILL . | 05/17/07
SCO proclaimed that Linux contained a HUGE amount of infringing code ...  George Mitchell | 05/16/07
MS will probably lose  Dr_Zinj | 05/17/07
Such is the nature of dirty socialism  Omch'Ar | 05/16/07
Here is a point that people seem to forget....  lenohere | 05/17/07
theyre only saying that...  linuxoverwindows | 05/17/07
The solution for interoperability is not license fees.  startx.jeff | 05/17/07
MR lenohere  Quebec-french | 05/17/07
But what if MS's patents are worthless?  Zogg | 05/18/07
I didn't know these other sound bites  bcroner | 05/17/07
correction- psuedoquote  bcroner | 05/17/07
I'm betting there is OSS code written into Vista .  I'm Ye, the MS SHILL . | 05/17/07
Innovation  davidr69 | 05/17/07
Go tell it to Ballmer  johnf76@... | 05/17/07
I think most people are missing the point ...  NotBornYesterday | 05/17/07
OR very worst scenario  Quebec-french | 05/17/07
NOOO, that woudl be the very *BEST* scenario  gfolkert | 05/18/07
Makes you wonder . . .  critic-at-arms | 05/17/07
the dog in the manger  reedjjjr | 05/17/07
looks like it really irks M$ that they can't buy open source code like they  wessonjoe | 05/17/07
A Modest Proposal  adakelly2@... | 05/17/07
Patents? Let's talk about Windows and MacOS  3dtodd | 05/17/07
If you going to give credit - it "ain't" Apple  fr0thy2. | 05/17/07
Microsoft code is "open" as well  fr0thy2. | 05/17/07
Obviously Someone Doesn't Know Their History  NetwareGuru | 05/21/07
Take history lessons  Jxn | 05/21/07
THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH COMPUTERS IS SOFTWARE  BALTHOR | 05/17/07
It would be pivital if that had a case  gotitright | 05/17/07
"we'll take a license"-- tell it to Eolas  kckn4fun | 05/17/07
So not relative.  Rocker452 | 05/17/07
Patents are also vulnerable  gotitright | 05/17/07
Patents Inavlid  wwwsupport | 05/18/07
Million Dollar Habits (NOT)  andrej770 | 05/29/07
Microsoft da bully...  uonfocus@... | 05/18/07
Just like Microsoft  neostuma | 05/18/07
Simple fix don't buy anything Microsoft  mikifinaz1@... | 05/18/07
Sounds like a plan but....  andrej770 | 05/29/07
What you pick  Ole Man | 06/05/07
What an ego....  devlin_X | 06/08/07
Results of discussion  Ole Man | 07/06/07

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