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November 5th, 2009

Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot screen proposal

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 6:49 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Google, Internet Explorer, Legal

Tags: Opera Software ASA, Ballot, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Corp., Web Browser, Web Browsers, Internet, Mary Jo Foley

The deadline for official comment on Microsoft’s latest rendition of the browser-ballot — the screen the company has proposed to download to PC users in order to appease antitrust regulators handling the Opera vs. Microsoft antitrust case — is next week. (It should be November 10, if the one-month comment deadline the European Commission set for itself is still in place.)

Google, Mozilla and Opera are preparing to weigh in separately with their suggestions, according to a November 4 round-up in the New York Times. These three Microsoft browser rivals still aren’t happy with the revisions Microsoft has made to its proposal. If the Commission decides their complaints have merit, more ballot testing and delays in implementation will ensue.

Mozilla execs already weighed in publicly (via a blog post) about their beefs, which include Microsoft’s suggestion that users see a screen which presents the top browser choices presented in alphabetical order by vendor (Apple, Google, Microsoft, Mozilla, Opera). Mozilla officials have said they aren’t keen on Apple’s Safari for Windows being No. 1 because it doesn’t work all that well on Windows. Mozilla officials haven’t offered publicly an alternative way to list the browsers on the ballot. I’m sure they’re trying to find some way to justify Firefox being listed first.

Opera officials aren’t keen on the Microsoft logo being at the top of the ballot, fearing undue influence on users (who already opted to buy a Windows PC, mind you). Opera’s CEO also said he wants to bar Microsoft from displaying a warning if and when users choose to download rival’s software.

There’s no word in the New York Times piece about what Google’s objections are. But I bet Google hated even getting a mention in the Times article, since that Google (like Microsoft) prefers back-room politics.

I’ve been a fan of the idea of Microsoft providing a browser ballot since the EC first floated the idea (and Microsoft opposed it vehemently). I was surprised Microsoft changed its tune and embraced the ballot, but I guess that seemed the least of all possible evils and a last stab at attempting to avoid a fine. (A fine is still a possibility; there’s no word on what the EC’s final remedy will be in the case.)

I liked the browser-ballot proposal because I’ve never bought into the idea that IE should be considered part of the operating system. Many less-savvy PC users don’t know there is more than one browser out there; they just assume IE is all there is. While many Softies and Microsoft backers have noted that Microsoft has done nothing to prevent users from choosing other browsers, the bundling of IE did make it unlikely that many PC users would know they had choices or how to get access to them.

I have to say, however, that this round of complaints by Microsoft’s rivals seem like nothing more than an attempt to keep Microsoft’s lawyers busy.

Microsoft has been losing browser share in recent years for a variety of reasons, including user security concerns (given IE is usually hackers’ primary browser target); failure to comply fully and in a timely manner with Web standards; the long lag time between browser updates from Microsoft; and problems with IE 8’s performance, especially on older operating systems and PCs. (I am basing that last reason on feedback from my readers.)

Being forced to compete for the love of users who actually understand they have a choice of browsers might do more to spur Microsoft to be innovative, timely and standards-compliant with IE than anything else would. That’s why I say bring on the browser ballot, but for users’ sakes, not for those of Microsoft’s competitors.

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I agree.
Its complete nonsense. Its so bizarre its hard to understand educated people in the EU falling for this nonsense. A thousand analogies can be made that show this whole "browser option" is just pure ... (Read the rest)
Posted by: Cayble Posted on: 11/10/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Opera  CobraA1 | 11/05/09
Not just Opera. Mozilla as well.  LeoD | 11/05/09
Not just Opera. Mozilla as well.  jmd8421r | 11/06/09
RE: Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot screen proposal  Loverock Davidson | 11/05/09
You know for once, I completely Agree with you. [NT]  JT82 | 11/05/09
That option is all benefits and no risk for MS  Viva la crank dodo | 11/05/09
....  Badgered | 11/05/09
I'm not sure  Viva la crank dodo | 11/05/09
Exactly this is what happens when you give baby anything they want.  tech_walker | 11/08/09
Would They...  Vokar | 11/05/09
The ballot screen has to go.  ye | 11/05/09
Random listing..  justanitguy | 11/05/09
Do away with it entirely.  ye | 11/05/09
That makes the most sense  WiredGuy | 11/05/09
Except the EU and Opera aren't concerned with "fair"  rtk | 11/05/09
No, the nonsense will never stop  otaddy | 11/05/09
Good idea, bad corperates  blackepyon01@... | 11/06/09
RE: Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot screen proposal  guinnessc | 11/05/09
want to be really neutral...  Linux Geek | 11/05/09
Linux Geek!  NStalnecker | 11/05/09
No, users want CHOICE.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/05/09
Disagree with you this time Axey ..  babyboomer57 | 11/05/09
And that is your choice yes?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/05/09
And the funny thing, a lot of windows users  otaddy | 11/05/09
You just said that Mozilla was not a choice ...  babyboomer57 | 11/05/09
We want choice  Viva la crank dodo | 11/05/09
It'll be OK dodo, don't have a stroke on us please. (NT)  babyboomer57 | 11/05/09
You are  Viva la crank dodo | 11/06/09
Choice is not Firefox? HAHAHAHAH!  CounterEthicsCommissioner | 11/05/09
NO user wants Infected Explorer  use_linux | 11/05/09
That's Flawed ..  babyboomer57 | 11/05/09
no  Linux Geek | 11/05/09
And I didn't say ...  babyboomer57 | 11/05/09
I have the solution folks .....  babyboomer57 | 11/05/09
that's flawed  Linux Geek | 11/05/09
Only YOU could come up with that, LG ..(NT)  babyboomer57 | 11/05/09
Of course its not good enough.  NoThomas | 11/05/09
I agree. No browser at all. FTP to get to a browsers source and download.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 11/05/09
That or...  NoThomas | 11/05/09
Mozilla is quite disapointing  timiteh | 11/05/09
Here is how to be fair  BroGnorik | 11/05/09
Thank goodness its not an issue in the US  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/05/09
Shhhh, they may be getting ready to pounce sad .. (NT)  babyboomer57 | 11/05/09
No_Ax---  justanitguy | 11/05/09
The argument just doesn't work  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/05/09
Who cares about arguments. IE is on the way down.  CounterEthicsCommissioner | 11/05/09
Proves that EU has an agenda  otaddy | 11/07/09
Right On (NT)  djmik | 11/05/09
Helpless?  rapson | 11/05/09
Where are the browsers coming from?  rshores | 11/05/09
The Real Issue" The majority will pick IE  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/05/09
no the real issue is govt  otaddy | 11/05/09
While you don't  lazerousz | 11/05/09
May be true. But this ballot nicely helps the trend to FF.  CounterEthicsCommissioner | 11/05/09
How?  rapson | 11/05/09
Too bad FF is a bloated piece of crap!  MSFTWorshipper | 11/05/09
Agree to a point  djmik | 11/05/09
Gasp, user may have to read! Oh No!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/05/09
I agree that  Viva la crank dodo | 11/05/09
Where the money come from?  Mectron | 11/05/09
search engines and add ons  Linux Geek | 11/05/09
I have been saying this .....  djmik | 11/05/09
Put the browsers where the belong  Mectron | 11/05/09
The way I see it...  ericesque | 11/05/09
Is it due to Win7?  LakeviewJason | 11/05/09
WTF?!  crazydanr@... | 11/05/09
Really WTF  timiteh | 11/06/09
Firefox has the marketshare IE is a has_been...  use_linux | 11/05/09
IE still 65%, firefox 24%  eggmanbubbagee@... | 11/05/09
So there is no reason for this? You are right.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/05/09
Kinda embarrassing for you NoAxe,  CounterEthicsCommissioner | 11/05/09
Here's how to fix it....  James T. Kirk | 11/05/09
ZDNet needs a rating system for talkbacks...  LiquidLearner | 11/05/09
Totally Agree.  tbensen@... | 11/05/09
You are being just crazy  Viva la crank dodo | 11/06/09
Darn....  James T. Kirk | 11/06/09
It's not his first time...  PlayFair | 11/06/09
RE: Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot screen proposal  Agnostic_OS | 11/05/09
RE: Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot screen proposal  golstat2003 | 11/05/09
Which reinvented wheel would you like?  tonymcs@... | 11/05/09
RE: Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot  guitago@... | 11/05/09
RE: Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot screen proposal  thammr | 11/05/09
Mary Jo's unique position?  vlastaw | 11/05/09
Exactly right.  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 11/06/09
Well said  Agnostic_OS | 11/10/09
RE: Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot screen proposal  foutchy | 11/06/09
RE: Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot screen proposal  Joe-Taylor-PB | 11/06/09
RE: Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot screen proposal  koalas | 11/06/09
List browser choices in random order. Whew, that was a hard one to solve.  softwareFlunky | 11/06/09
I wonder how...  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 11/06/09
I wonder how you would feel if..  zkiwi | 11/07/09
Fairness to all...  adornoe@... | 11/06/09
RE: Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot screen proposal  tracy@... | 11/06/09
This is how you do it.  Randalllind | 11/06/09
Browsers are like shoes, not AV apps  rroberto18 | 11/06/09
RE: Browser rivals to register official complaints about Microsoft's ballot  Eduardo_z | 11/06/09
What is going to happen when  Aussie_Troll | 11/06/09
either at Microsofts knee's or their throat  tech_walker | 11/08/09
Why not take this a stage further  AndyPagin | 11/09/09
...choice of operating systems,...  Agnostic_OS | 11/10/09
I agree.  Cayble | 11/10/09

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