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May 20th, 2007

Microsoft and patent claims: 'Business as usual'?

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 6:59 pm

Categories: Corporate strategy, Legal, Linux

Tags: Patent, Open Source, IP, Microsoft Corp., Mary Jo Foley

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Bill Hilf, Microsoft’s General Manager of Platform Strategy, has finally blogged about Microsoft’s decision to go public with its claims that it has found 235 patent violations by open source software on various Microsoft products.

Our IP strategy has not changed,” said Hilf and Microsoft’s head of the company’s open-source-software lab, Sam Ramji, in a blog posting dated May 18. “Where we have unique and valuable intellectual property (as indicated by our high scores on the science strength of our patents) we will seek to license it to commercial entities (such as Samsung and Fuji Xerox).

“It’s not us versus the free world. It’s about commercial companies working together around IP issues – it’s business as usual,” the pair added.

Hilf and Ramji reiterated that Microsoft has no current intentions to sue its customers, partners or competitors.

So why go public with an alleged number of violations? Interestingly, Hilf and Ramji don’t mention the looming GPL v3 as the impetus for Microsoft’s latest saber-rattling — even though Microsoft’s own public-relations team did. Instead, Hilf told IDG News Service (IDGNS) in an interview late last week that the decision to share the numbers was motivated by a call for “more transparency.”

Check out this exchange:

IDGNS: In hindsight, do you think it was a good idea for Microsoft to release the number of patents it believes are being infringed?”

Hilf: What we heard back after the Novell deal was ‘Give us more transparency. You say that there is IP involved, give us an understanding of what that is.’ So the attempt was that if we give a number and category of where these things fall, maybe that will help people get an idea of the scope. We are very much calling out to commercial companies to license this stuff and resolve these issues. This isn’t like a trivial invention. There are a couple hundred significant patents here.”

Hilf also told IDG News Servcie he was aware that Microsoft was going to go public with the alleged number of patent violations before the Fortune Magazine story ran. If this is true, I’m kind of surprised Hilf waited until a full week after the damage was done to post to the Port 25 blog his claim that nothing had changed for Microsoft vis-a-vis the open-source community.

Microsoft is holding an Open Source ISV (Independent Software Vendor) forum on May 21, just before the Open Source Business Conference kicks off this week. Let’s see this week if Microsoft’s open-source partners back Hilf’s claim that it’s all business as usual ….

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"transparency"  Tim Patterson | 05/20/07
Correct  BobF_z | 05/21/07
I don't think that is correct  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
Microsoft's patents are not valid in Europe  WiredGuy | 05/21/07
I'm speaking in terms of Microsoft.  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
We feel the same as anyone else would  BobF_z | 05/21/07
Ok Bob.  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
I don't know where you are getting your facts from ,  Intellihence | 05/21/07
US Navy and Windows  BobF_z | 05/21/07
Only once actually  qvtech | 05/22/07
I don't know where you are getting your  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
thats not the problem  qvtech | 05/22/07
You've got your eye on the wrong company  xuniL_z | 05/22/07
EU delegates not elected?  BobF_z | 05/21/07
Here, instead of cutting only part of it out  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
You paint too simple a picture  bportlock | 05/21/07
Even so  BobF_z | 05/21/07
Actually...  Henry Miller | 05/21/07
Yes, patents apply to effects in software...  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
But then  viztor | 05/21/07
You have to be a little careful there, what the software does is  DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
Good point  LinuxHippie | 05/21/07
Yes, those 10's of thousands of EU software patents...  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
Correction  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
Software patents in the EU are legal...  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
What EU patents?  BobF_z | 05/21/07
You must recall.  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
And now  viztor | 05/21/07
Uh, no, in fact you can look at it as a driving force  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
Uhhh -- no  Imaginos1892 | 05/21/07
Depends on your ideology at taht point.  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
US does consider prior art, now.  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
In what ways are other countries  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
I would say plenty  Patrick Jones | 05/21/07
While it may be true that there are more  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
I disagree..  Patrick Jones | 05/21/07
That begs the question...  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
Some reasons  Patrick Jones | 05/21/07
Agreed  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
You could have looked and found such as this...  zkiwi | 05/21/07
Not interested in your narrow analyses.  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
And your "narrow analysis"?  Ole Man | 05/21/07
"Like trying to get the camel through . . ."  JLHenry | 05/21/07
Ok, Ole Man  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
Simple, only one point  Ole Man | 05/21/07
WOW. I didn't realize  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
If it is all about transparency, then just list the patents and where they  DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
Donnie . . .  JLHenry | 05/21/07
Come on Balmer and BotHead, make our day, file those lawsuits!!  DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
at the end of the day  Badgered | 05/21/07
But, MS will not file the lawsuits. That would clean up Linux and remove  DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
yes, that's what I said  Badgered | 05/21/07
Needs a little more thought  bka1959 | 05/21/07
I ask you (again)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
Walking the talk  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
Indeed, compaines walking tall.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
Honor bound  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
Sorry, but when  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
The point is  Freebird54 | 05/21/07
Have you noticed . . .  JLHenry | 05/21/07
He is in fact the GPL gawd...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
Re: Indeed, compaines walking tall.  none none | 05/21/07
What are you ranting about?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
Goose Gander  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
Re: What are you ranting about?  none none | 05/21/07
None noe,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
Re: None noe,  none none | 05/21/07
So, you are admitting that they don't have anything to gain by filing a  DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
For the time being there is nothing to gain.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
Ah yes, EOLAS's "US Patent 5,838,906"  Zogg | 05/21/07
Good on you...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
You're the one who brought up EOLAS, remember?  Zogg | 05/21/07
Can't wait to see the list of alleged patent infringements  WiredGuy | 05/21/07
Ain't gonna happen  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
Microsoft also issues statements observing...  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
If they're not going to enforce them . . .  JLHenry | 05/21/07
Microsoft is trying to encourage an attitude...  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
Once Infringement has been . . .  JLHenry | 05/21/07
"Once infringement has been accepted"  jacarter3 | 05/21/07
Carter, you are turning  xuniL_z | 05/22/07
Everything is relative  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
I believe they've already given the list to Linux vendors  PB_z | 05/21/07
I sorely doubt it.  jacarter3 | 05/21/07
re: I believe they've already given ..... post a link then  deaf_e_kate | 05/21/07
US patents are recognised outside the US  I am Gorby | 05/21/07
Meanwhile, back at the ranch  Chad_z | 05/21/07
They won't ever admit that this really happen.  jacarter3 | 05/21/07
You are just a  xuniL_z | 05/22/07
What Transparency?  barjohn | 05/21/07
Bill Hilf Is A Liar! No Transparency  chessmen | 05/21/07
"Honest companies do not behave this way"  jacarter3 | 05/21/07
Maybe if we all chipped in . . .  JLHenry | 05/21/07
"challenge with the Patent Office that they might not survive"  jacarter3 | 05/21/07
Two facts are unarguable  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
Wrong!!  techboy_z | 05/21/07
More open-source than Mr. Stallman or Mr. Torvalds?  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
The reverse is also true  Freebird54 | 05/21/07
You are very wrong that patents can not be avoided by changing the code.  DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
Business methods can be patented in the US.  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
Re: Business methods can be patented in the US.  none none | 05/21/07
Another point, the most MS could hope for is puting some open source  DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
It is arguable...  John L. Ries | 05/21/07
Every developer doesn't want to know...  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
"doing open source a service"  Ole Man | 05/21/07
Fair enough.  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
Of course they would!  Ole Man | 05/22/07
Huh?  Patrick Jones | 05/21/07
Re: Two facts are unarguable  none none | 05/21/07
Are you sure?  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
Microsoft's "Get the facts" campaign  jacarter3 | 05/21/07
Those institutions  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
These are "unarguable" only because Anton can't argue them  jacarter3 | 05/21/07
Software Patents are a timebomb  ceh4702 | 05/21/07
good  Linux Geek | 05/21/07
It was only a matter of time before the riff-raff showed up . . . ;( (nt)  JLHenry | 05/21/07
Shot Across Bow -- by Dingy  author20@... | 05/21/07
Transparency  Endoscopy | 05/21/07
Why not sue MS for defamation?  Beejaybee | 05/21/07
You really seem to be confused.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
huh?  Beejaybee | 05/21/07
You said...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
I actually said...  Beejaybee | 05/21/07
Read it, and you arfe still confused.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
Where and when did...  Beejaybee | 05/21/07
Yes, a "patent number". Not a "number of patents"!  Zogg | 05/21/07
Hey Axey!!!  JLHenry | 05/21/07
Hey JL, your dads patents  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
But isn't that . . .  JLHenry | 05/21/07
JL, you MISSED the point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
Actually, I got it, but . . .  JLHenry | 05/22/07
Nobody?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
I don't know how it works in the US but...  Beejaybee | 05/21/07
Pay to play  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
Sounds to me that..  Beejaybee | 05/21/07
I would say its business as usual.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
Business as usual, even for MS is to let patent holders come to them if  DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
Why not?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
Deja vu  BobF_z | 05/21/07
SCO and this have NOTHING in common...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
Speaking of pulling the rug out...  SpikeyMike | 05/21/07
Linux CAN NOT be moved to GPL-3.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
He's right on this ...  George Mitchell | 05/21/07
Wishful thinking  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
It might be painful, but yes, it can be moved to GPL3. Anybody that took  DonnieBoy | 05/22/07
A rational post to reply to  TripleII | 05/21/07
I think you should read Red Hats license.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
I would expect that from certain people....but not you.  xuniL_z | 05/21/07
Dude, it's called decaf  TripleII | 05/22/07
Are there legal ramifications to not saying anything?  letranger66 | 05/22/07
Transparency, Glasnost?  Weldon@... | 05/21/07
This just has to be one of those things that makes sense only to MS ...  George Mitchell | 05/21/07
You're right that the Novell deal...  Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
In any case the experts are worried ...  George Mitchell | 05/21/07
In any case the experts are worried (corrected post) ...  George Mitchell | 05/21/07
MS Swivel Hips (or doing the 180)  flhtc | 05/21/07
Just more bully tactics  bobsherrill@... | 05/21/07
Bully tactics.  xuniL_z | 05/22/07
Redhat  TripleII | 05/21/07
Its not about Microsoft or Linux its about the lawyers.  nicklock | 05/21/07
Not Transparency, But Specificity  dumptux | 05/21/07
Patents  htmlman | 05/21/07
Make a deal with a Cancer  Ole Man | 05/21/07
patent attitudes  vger_z | 05/22/07
BS as usual  Ole Man | 05/22/07
You don't speak for me, I do.  intj-astral@... | 05/22/07
removed.  intj-astral@... | 05/22/07
Microsoft patent claims  dshaw@... | 05/23/07

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