"transparency"
Tim Patterson | 05/20/07
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Correct
BobF_z | 05/21/07
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I don't think that is correct
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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Microsoft's patents are not valid in Europe
WiredGuy | 05/21/07
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I'm speaking in terms of Microsoft.
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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We feel the same as anyone else would
BobF_z | 05/21/07
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Ok Bob.
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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I don't know where you are getting your facts from ,
Intellihence | 05/21/07
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US Navy and Windows
BobF_z | 05/21/07
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Only once actually
qvtech | 05/22/07
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I don't know where you are getting your
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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thats not the problem
qvtech | 05/22/07
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You've got your eye on the wrong company
xuniL_z | 05/22/07
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EU delegates not elected?
BobF_z | 05/21/07
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Here, instead of cutting only part of it out
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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You paint too simple a picture
bportlock | 05/21/07
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Even so
BobF_z | 05/21/07
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Actually...
Henry Miller | 05/21/07
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Yes, patents apply to effects in software...
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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But then
viztor | 05/21/07
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You have to be a little careful there, what the software does is
DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
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Good point
LinuxHippie | 05/21/07
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Yes, those 10's of thousands of EU software patents...
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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Correction
Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
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Software patents in the EU are legal...
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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What EU patents?
BobF_z | 05/21/07
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You must recall.
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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And now
viztor | 05/21/07
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Uh, no, in fact you can look at it as a driving force
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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Uhhh -- no
Imaginos1892 | 05/21/07
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Depends on your ideology at taht point.
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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US does consider prior art, now.
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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In what ways are other countries
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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I would say plenty
Patrick Jones | 05/21/07
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While it may be true that there are more
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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I disagree..
Patrick Jones | 05/21/07
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That begs the question...
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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Some reasons
Patrick Jones | 05/21/07
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Agreed
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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You could have looked and found such as this...
zkiwi | 05/21/07
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Not interested in your narrow analyses.
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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And your "narrow analysis"?
Ole Man | 05/21/07
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"Like trying to get the camel through . . ."
JLHenry | 05/21/07
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Ok, Ole Man
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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Simple, only one point
Ole Man | 05/21/07
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WOW. I didn't realize
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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If it is all about transparency, then just list the patents and where they
DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
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Donnie . . .
JLHenry | 05/21/07
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Come on Balmer and BotHead, make our day, file those lawsuits!!
DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
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at the end of the day
Badgered | 05/21/07
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But, MS will not file the lawsuits. That would clean up Linux and remove
DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
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yes, that's what I said
Badgered | 05/21/07
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Needs a little more thought
bka1959 | 05/21/07
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I ask you (again)
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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Walking the talk
Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
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Indeed, compaines walking tall.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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Honor bound
Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
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Sorry, but when
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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The point is
Freebird54 | 05/21/07
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Have you noticed . . .
JLHenry | 05/21/07
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He is in fact the GPL gawd...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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Re: Indeed, compaines walking tall.
none none | 05/21/07
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What are you ranting about?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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Goose Gander
Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
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Re: What are you ranting about?
none none | 05/21/07
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None noe,
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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Re: None noe,
none none | 05/21/07
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So, you are admitting that they don't have anything to gain by filing a
DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
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For the time being there is nothing to gain.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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Ah yes, EOLAS's "US Patent 5,838,906"
Zogg | 05/21/07
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Good on you...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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You're the one who brought up EOLAS, remember?
Zogg | 05/21/07
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Can't wait to see the list of alleged patent infringements
WiredGuy | 05/21/07
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Ain't gonna happen
Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
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Microsoft also issues statements observing...
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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If they're not going to enforce them . . .
JLHenry | 05/21/07
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Microsoft is trying to encourage an attitude...
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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Once Infringement has been . . .
JLHenry | 05/21/07
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"Once infringement has been accepted"
jacarter3 | 05/21/07
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Carter, you are turning
xuniL_z | 05/22/07
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Everything is relative
Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
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I believe they've already given the list to Linux vendors
PB_z | 05/21/07
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I sorely doubt it.
jacarter3 | 05/21/07
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re: I believe they've already given ..... post a link then
deaf_e_kate | 05/21/07
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US patents are recognised outside the US
I am Gorby | 05/21/07
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch
Chad_z | 05/21/07
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They won't ever admit that this really happen.
jacarter3 | 05/21/07
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You are just a
xuniL_z | 05/22/07
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What Transparency?
barjohn | 05/21/07
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Bill Hilf Is A Liar! No Transparency
chessmen | 05/21/07
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"Honest companies do not behave this way"
jacarter3 | 05/21/07
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Maybe if we all chipped in . . .
JLHenry | 05/21/07
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"challenge with the Patent Office that they might not survive"
jacarter3 | 05/21/07
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Two facts are unarguable
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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Wrong!!
techboy_z | 05/21/07
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More open-source than Mr. Stallman or Mr. Torvalds?
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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The reverse is also true
Freebird54 | 05/21/07
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You are very wrong that patents can not be avoided by changing the code.
DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
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Business methods can be patented in the US.
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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Re: Business methods can be patented in the US.
none none | 05/21/07
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Another point, the most MS could hope for is puting some open source
DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
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It is arguable...
John L. Ries | 05/21/07
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Every developer doesn't want to know...
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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"doing open source a service"
Ole Man | 05/21/07
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Fair enough.
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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Of course they would!
Ole Man | 05/22/07
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Huh?
Patrick Jones | 05/21/07
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Re: Two facts are unarguable
none none | 05/21/07
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Are you sure?
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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Microsoft's "Get the facts" campaign
jacarter3 | 05/21/07
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Those institutions
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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These are "unarguable" only because Anton can't argue them
jacarter3 | 05/21/07
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Software Patents are a timebomb
ceh4702 | 05/21/07
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good
Linux Geek | 05/21/07
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It was only a matter of time before the riff-raff showed up . . . ;( (nt)
JLHenry | 05/21/07
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Shot Across Bow -- by Dingy
author20@... | 05/21/07
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Transparency
Endoscopy | 05/21/07
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Why not sue MS for defamation?
Beejaybee | 05/21/07
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You really seem to be confused.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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huh?
Beejaybee | 05/21/07
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You said...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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I actually said...
Beejaybee | 05/21/07
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Read it, and you arfe still confused.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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Where and when did...
Beejaybee | 05/21/07
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Yes, a "patent number". Not a "number of patents"!
Zogg | 05/21/07
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Hey Axey!!!
JLHenry | 05/21/07
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Hey JL, your dads patents
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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But isn't that . . .
JLHenry | 05/21/07
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JL, you MISSED the point.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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Actually, I got it, but . . .
JLHenry | 05/22/07
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Nobody?
Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
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I don't know how it works in the US but...
Beejaybee | 05/21/07
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Pay to play
Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
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Sounds to me that..
Beejaybee | 05/21/07
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I would say its business as usual.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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Business as usual, even for MS is to let patent holders come to them if
DonnieBoy | 05/21/07
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Why not?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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Deja vu
BobF_z | 05/21/07
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SCO and this have NOTHING in common...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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Speaking of pulling the rug out...
SpikeyMike | 05/21/07
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Linux CAN NOT be moved to GPL-3.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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He's right on this ...
George Mitchell | 05/21/07
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Wishful thinking
Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/21/07
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It might be painful, but yes, it can be moved to GPL3. Anybody that took
DonnieBoy | 05/22/07
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A rational post to reply to
TripleII | 05/21/07
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I think you should read Red Hats license.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/21/07
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I would expect that from certain people....but not you.
xuniL_z | 05/21/07
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Dude, it's called decaf
TripleII | 05/22/07
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Are there legal ramifications to not saying anything?
letranger66 | 05/22/07
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Transparency, Glasnost?
Weldon@... | 05/21/07
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This just has to be one of those things that makes sense only to MS ...
George Mitchell | 05/21/07
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You're right that the Novell deal...
Anton Philidor | 05/21/07
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In any case the experts are worried ...
George Mitchell | 05/21/07
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In any case the experts are worried (corrected post) ...
George Mitchell | 05/21/07
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MS Swivel Hips (or doing the 180)
flhtc | 05/21/07
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Just more bully tactics
bobsherrill@... | 05/21/07
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Bully tactics.
xuniL_z | 05/22/07
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Redhat
TripleII | 05/21/07
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Its not about Microsoft or Linux its about the lawyers.
nicklock | 05/21/07
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Not Transparency, But Specificity
dumptux | 05/21/07
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Patents
htmlman | 05/21/07
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Make a deal with a Cancer
Ole Man | 05/21/07
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patent attitudes
vger_z | 05/22/07
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BS as usual
Ole Man | 05/22/07
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You don't speak for me, I do.
intj-astral@... | 05/22/07
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removed.
intj-astral@... | 05/22/07
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Microsoft patent claims
dshaw@... | 05/23/07
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