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June 13th, 2007

Leopard vs. Vista: Take two

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 6:12 am

Categories: Apple, Corporate strategy, Vista, Windows client

Tags: Apple Mac OS, Apple Macintosh, Blog, Microsoft Windows Vista, Apple Inc., Apple Mac OS X, Mary Jo Foley

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Let me try this again.

Seeing that so many readers misunderstood my blog post from earlier this week about my take on Apple CEO Steve Jobs’ keynote, I’d like to try to clarify what I was trying to say.

But first, let me say thanks for the many interesting e-mail messages and comments on the original post. And special thanks for the unsolicited advice, which ranged from “find a new career,” to “see a doctor about your time/space problem you seem to have,” to “you should be running a car wash in Frezno.” I have been trying to respond to all of my e-mail correspondents, but unfortunately many of you seem to be using fake e-mail addresses and names that aren’t your own.

I heard from some interesting corners. I heard from Windows users who think the Mac OS X is far superior to Vista. I heard from Apple users who said they thought Leopard would be a weak Mac OS X release. And I heard from quite a few Mac folks who thought Jobs’ keynote was too much of a rehash from January and was a lame representation of what Apple has coming on the operating system front.

My original post was not an attempt at a Vista vs. Leopard product review (in response to the reader who said s/he’d contact my managers to make sure this ZDNet reviewer was fired!). Nor was it a news story. It was my plain, old, biased opinion, as most blog posts tend to be.

Admittedly, my headline choice (“Leopard looks like … Vista”) for my original blog posting was poor. A lot of folks immediately assumed I was asserting that Leopard — the version of Mac OS X coming this October, which Jobs demonstrated at the Worldwide Developers Conference on July 11 — was copied from Vista. And seemingly read no further.

That isn’t what I was saying at all. In fact, I consciously stayed away from the whole “who copied whom” discussion, which has been debated for years now. I had nothing new to observe there and didn’t intend for this blog post to be a timeline. (I also didn’t expect it to be a forum for Linux users, yet still heard from a reader who told me that I was a fool not to mention Linux, since it was obvious Apple and Microsoft both had stolen their interface ideas from Linux. I’m not kidding.)

Instead, what I was attempting to ask was whether users out there, especially those who’ve had a chance to play with the closed Leopard betas, believe there are features and functionality in Leopard that will leapfrog what’s available in Vista. I was curious because I often hear Apple officials and users assert that Leopard will be light years ahead of Vista once Leopard ships. Yet in the demonstration I saw on Monday, I didn’t see much of anything — other than the beautiful eye candy, as noted by LifeHacker — that seemed to go beyond what Microsoft is doing with Vista.

As I noted in my original post, I am not a Mac user. Please excuse any Mac OS X subsystem names I bungled in my post; I simply used the terms Jobs used. For a better use of correct Apple terminology in comparing Leopard to Vista, I’d suggest readers check out Microsoft Watch’s follow-up post from July 12.)

A number of readers said they thought the Top 10 Leopard features list I cited was weak and chose to make Leopard look bad. Just a reminder: This wasn’t my list. This was the list of features that Jobs chose to highlight.

Yes, I have seen Mac OS X Tiger and, thanks to the kind loan of an iMac from Apple a year ago, had a chance to dabble with it. It wasn’t my cup of tea. I am too set in my Windows ways to switch. (At the same time, I seriously doubt anyone at Microsoft would call me a “Vista fan girl.”.)

At the risk of having my inbox flooded again with more love mail and thoughtful career suggestions from all you enthusiastic Mac users out there, I’d like to re-ask my original question. What features coming in Leopard do you think will leapfrog Vista? (Not in terms of what they look like, but in terms of what they will do.) I am asking because I want fodder for my next interview with the Windows team and — as so many of you suggested I do — to educate myself.

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To be honest, I don't really know  nucrash | 06/13/07
ZFS will be available for Leopard .  Intellihence | 06/13/07
No it isnt  Stuka | 06/13/07
That's what he said(nt)  People | 06/13/07
wrong  plokoonpma | 06/14/07
Good for you...  rramirez@... | 06/13/07
To be honest  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/07
For the most part yes.  Stuka | 06/13/07
Have you compared VirtualDub?  Anton Philidor | 06/13/07
I've used vdub  Voodoo187 | 06/13/07
Virtualdub rocks  toadlife | 06/13/07
While not proloaded  mdemuth | 06/13/07
Video editing on Windows - Vegas Video  jacarter3 | 06/13/07
Nice post  NonZealot | 06/13/07
I have not used Vegas Video  Stuka | 06/13/07
I checked into Final Cut Pro  jacarter3 | 06/13/07
Final Cut Studio  fde101 | 06/14/07
"never even tried using Vegas - why would I bother?"  jacarter3 | 06/14/07
re: Video editing on Windows - Vegas Video  oleinmadtown | 06/13/07
My mistaske but I said SoundForge - my bad [nt]  jacarter3 | 06/14/07
You Forgot Premiere!  voyager529 | 06/13/07
There is another  fde101 | 06/14/07
I have Premiere 6.5  jacarter3 | 06/14/07
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Good post, I agree with you about choice  intrepi@... | 07/17/07
Vista has a way to go  pcguy777 | 07/17/07
I agree Vista is appealing but Leopard has more  intrepi@... | 07/17/07
OS doesn't matter to Joe Average  voska | 06/14/07
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Irrational hatred?  NonZealot | 06/14/07
Yeah right, where's your evidence here?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 06/14/07
Did you even read the link?  NonZealot | 06/14/07
Did you even read your own post?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 06/18/07
The "average Joe"?  mds_z | 06/15/07
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adobe rules  pcguy777 | 07/17/07
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VISTA with its hardware needs is way cheaper  Ole Man | 07/17/07
Actually, that should be THREE interfaces  TechTeach_z | 06/15/07
interesting implications :P  Voodoo187 | 06/13/07
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point of fact...  sbeckstead@... | 06/14/07
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How little you understand...  Bender99 | 06/13/07
You have made no point  GuidingLight | 06/13/07
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Sorry about the grammar  GuidingLight | 06/13/07
Generalizations...ad hominum ad nauseum  sbeckstead@... | 06/13/07
You must first reference  GuidingLight | 06/13/07
you are funny  patibulo | 06/14/07
Now that's funny.  Badgered | 06/14/07
entertainment  sbeckstead@... | 06/14/07
and amused as well (nt)  Badgered | 06/14/07
hahahahahahahha!!!!!  pcguy777 | 07/17/07
Yeah, all Mac Zealots are idiots  wholemikl | 06/13/07
MAC Losers  robfuqua@... | 06/14/07
re: you fell  daddykevin13 | 06/15/07
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How true  pcguy777 | 07/17/07
Leopard v. Vista v. SuSE  bjbrock | 06/13/07
What in the name of gawd are you ranting about?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/07
I'm neither.  bjbrock | 06/13/07
Wireless Usb  sbeckstead@... | 06/13/07
6 one half dozen the other  voska | 06/14/07
Much as no_ax is a pillock...  odubtaig | 06/13/07
Kudzu was good but  bjbrock | 06/14/07
Actually he's right  voska | 06/14/07
Why not just drop SUSE and try Debian .  Intellihence | 06/13/07
For one...  bjbrock | 06/13/07
Debian for Mac does include Yast .  Intellihence | 06/13/07
I would've recommended Ubuntu  odubtaig | 06/13/07
I tried Fiesty Fawn, it was OK but...  bjbrock | 06/14/07
KDE on Ubuntu  sullivanjc | 06/14/07
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the "unsophisticated" user...  wholemikl | 06/13/07
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Go for it!!  NonZealot | 06/13/07
Kinda hard for anyone...  wholemikl | 06/13/07
Don't put your faith into that MS zealot .  Intellihence | 06/13/07
Or this zealot in leapord clothing  fr0thy2. | 06/14/07
Another outright lie from the one and only zealot him/herself .  Intellihence | 06/13/07
I also forgot to add that  Intellihence | 06/13/07
So then....  Badgered | 06/14/07
So what  vmaatta | 06/14/07
Suse  ewelch | 06/13/07
Leopard? Vista? SuSE? What??? wink  i2fun@... | 06/14/07
SuSE v. Fedora  ehwood | 07/17/07
Many Features  musichris777 | 06/13/07
Sero features. I can do each and every one of the things  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/07
There's a few things can you can do on Windows that can't be done on a Mac  Intellihence | 06/13/07
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tsk tsk  sbeckstead@... | 06/13/07
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sorry but your wrong sbeckstead mac software racks  SO.CAL Guy | 06/22/07
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to Spot Boy: There are professionals - they use MS...  fr0thy2. | 06/14/07
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So stop posting and get to it.  wholemikl | 06/13/07
You're jealous NuCrash , aren't you ?  Intellihence | 06/13/07
MS Fanboy, Me?  nucrash | 06/13/07
Spot Boy: You seem very jealous to us...a.  fr0thy2. | 06/14/07
Nice... very nice.  wholemikl | 06/13/07
The individual above is right , there is no such thing as a Mac Fanboy .  Intellihence | 06/13/07
Glad you like the software you use Bender99  SO.CAL Guy | 06/22/07
I can do this with Windows and Not Mac  fr0thy2. | 06/14/07
Really?  j.m.galvin | 06/13/07
PDF Functionality  musichris777 | 06/13/07
I was responding to No Ax  j.m.galvin | 06/13/07
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Brain Drain, Mind Wipe  nucrash | 06/13/07
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One Minor Victory  nucrash | 06/13/07
Leapord is such a goof. At least  fr0thy2. | 06/14/07
One more that everyone takes for granted  People | 06/13/07
What OS X doesn't have  frgough | 06/13/07
Exploits and Virii  nucrash | 06/13/07
just to name a few  toadlife | 06/13/07
Some of this stuff is being badly explained.  odubtaig | 06/13/07
Tiger versus Leopard  rflulling@... | 06/15/07
What features?  panic man | 06/13/07
typical  bubblesroe@... | 07/17/07
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Agreed  Busay | 06/13/07
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He's  j.m.galvin | 06/13/07
Only 50  nucrash | 06/13/07
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Mikey boy is hiding in the woodwork with Loverock Davidson .  Intellihence | 06/13/07
Your first headline was a troll  keel | 06/13/07
Linux user.. trolling around etc  J2002 | 06/13/07
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actually a correction, Linux doesn't even show on Radar  Pederson | 06/20/07
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Automator? um TASK MANAGER?  JABBER_WOLF | 06/14/07
what?  doh123 | 06/14/07
Spaces  DannyO_0x98 | 06/13/07
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Commodore  sbeckstead@... | 06/13/07
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Usability is more a case of familiarity.  xrxca | 06/15/07
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RE: In all reality  pipesndrums@... | 06/13/07
Flip3D and CoverFlow  msiniscalchi | 06/13/07
And this is the...  rjpotts | 06/14/07
Unfortunately...  mitchebk | 06/13/07
Unfortunately, you're asking the impossible  j.m.galvin | 06/13/07
What?  mitchebk | 06/13/07
*sigh*  rapson | 06/13/07
Your Linux Reader is not far off!  gunnerjoe | 06/13/07
Correct me if I am wrong  nucrash | 06/13/07
Not even close silly  odubtaig | 06/13/07
AMEN!  jett925@... | 06/15/07
You miss the point entirely  3rdGenBruin | 06/13/07
how Apple marketing changes  brian.shapiro | 06/13/07
that's just one factor  patibulo | 06/14/07
I would agree with your  rjpotts | 06/14/07
Simply brilliant  pr@... | 06/14/07
This comment is correct...  Pederson | 06/20/07
I wish ...  sashkashurik | 07/17/07
No taste  dahlenu | 06/13/07
How can you possibly comment on Leopard?  lhuynh@... | 06/13/07
An honourable bullet dodge  mrregistered | 06/13/07
Message has been deleted.  ballmerrules@... | 06/13/07
Like your blogspot claims , you are a fake , now get lost .  Intellihence | 06/13/07
10.2 is great but....  pietasterkid | 06/13/07
Detail on Automator  shapiroc@... | 06/13/07
Opinion  sbeckstead@... | 06/13/07
One essential advantage for Leopard  fjm03 | 06/13/07
Spot on brother Man .  Intellihence | 06/13/07
????  fr0thy2. | 06/14/07
at Mother MS, Vista owns you!  doh123 | 06/14/07
fodder for your next interview with the Windows team"  josjoslyn | 06/13/07
"fodder for your next interview with the Windows team""  josjoslyn | 06/13/07
We are not allowed  ebernet | 06/13/07
People Need to Get a Life  owl06 | 06/13/07
It was in the NEWS section for God's sake  luch3 | 06/13/07
My answer  anacardo | 06/13/07
The BEST POST  sashkashurik | 07/17/07
We help folks understand Macs  pritchet1 | 06/13/07
Here's my answer...  theMac_Daddy | 06/13/07
You haven't actually used Vista, have you  mikegalos@... | 06/13/07
Hmmm Tasty if true...  sbeckstead@... | 06/13/07
Server 2003 R2 (and Vista)  mikegalos@... | 06/13/07
Where????  Necrolin | 06/14/07
Odd  mikegalos@... | 06/14/07
NTFS  Necrolin | 06/14/07
it might be there, but Time Machine is better  doh123 | 06/14/07
Microsoft vs. Apple priorities & focus  brian.shapiro | 06/13/07
Let's take these one by one  mikegalos@... | 06/13/07
interesting....  lhuynh@... | 06/13/07
Take two aspirin  ewelch | 06/13/07
Server 2003 R2 (and Vista)  mikegalos@... | 06/13/07
So Who Pays Your Salary??  igoeja@... | 06/13/07
Stop Apologizing !  jpr75_z | 06/13/07
Another take on the list  Doug K | 06/13/07
goo  charles656oio@... | 06/13/07
what in the name of gawd are you talking about?  mithraigor@... | 06/13/07
Nice excuse  mwil19 | 06/13/07
Are you still failing to grasp it after two attempts?  MirOgers | 06/14/07
Thank you for admitting it  NonZealot | 06/14/07
I disagree...it's opionion that you back up w/ opinion  fr0thy2. | 06/14/07
Vista has steered me towards  bjbrock | 06/14/07
Start Planning Today for an iVista Future!  Randall C. Kennedy | 06/14/07
MAC OS X is much faster than Vista  enriqg | 06/14/07
Now we are impressed  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
With Parallels it can support anything  enriqg | 06/14/07
What a waste  aarrgggh@... | 06/14/07
I can run all OSes with Parallels  enriqg | 06/14/07
This is simply utter FUD!  Heatlesssun1 | 06/14/07
Your experience is unique  enriqg | 06/14/07
Maybe it is your experience that is unique  NonZealot | 06/14/07
No, my experience is common  enriqg | 06/14/07
Whoopty freaking Roo...you compensating for something...  fr0thy2. | 06/14/07
Only partially right  sashkashurik | 07/17/07
come on  plokoonpma | 06/14/07
Do the best technologies win?  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
Best = Successful?  sailnavy | 06/14/07
Not to be too combative  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
You're Right!  sailnavy | 06/14/07
UNIX - Aha - IT AMATEUR  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
Oh gee  sailnavy | 06/14/07
Have Fun  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
According to Apple  The_Curmudgeon | 06/14/07
Accessibility Features in Leopard?  richard.s | 06/14/07
Vista vs Mac OS  sailnavy | 06/14/07
Somewhat Confused  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
Silly?  sailnavy | 06/14/07
about turn...  JMcCullagh | 06/14/07
I bet Mary Jo has great calves from all that back-pedaling!  voicebox5 | 06/14/07
Odd...  Badgered | 06/14/07
As I said in my post...  voicebox5 | 06/18/07
Staying on Topic  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
OS X should have blown your socks off  scotsilv | 06/14/07
Similar  sailnavy | 06/14/07
Don't forget...  xxn1927 | 06/14/07
Wrong  owl06 | 06/14/07
Read more carefully  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
OS 10.4 + 1/2  Zippereye125 | 06/14/07
Do your math moron  levicki | 06/20/07
This is an interesting topic.  spikedstrider | 06/14/07
Under the Hood  UbiquitousGeek | 06/14/07
LOL @ core animation  JABBER_WOLF | 06/14/07
This is an interesting topic.  spikedstrider | 06/14/07
That appears to be the problem  diehlpb | 06/14/07
Very nice post  NonZealot | 06/14/07
Still LAME!!  rawferal@... | 06/14/07
Actually I think the reverse  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
Apple Zealots  Crestview | 06/14/07
Apple Zealots  pr@... | 06/14/07
Message has been deleted.  sackbut | 06/14/07
Cannot Resist  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
Non-Visual Experience  keunee | 06/14/07
OK Apple OS are great!!!!  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
About that new line of work idea...  wildepython@... | 06/14/07
And your point is?  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
Message has been deleted.  pvhastings | 06/14/07
Critical Thinking  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
A little history  The_Quietman | 06/14/07
Nice Wicki,,  bkelly@... | 06/14/07
Research?  sbeckstead@... | 06/14/07
(NOT NEWS) That is one of the biggest problems with ZDNet!!!  jjarman | 06/14/07
Vista UI is still as convoluted as any Windows OS  3dtodd | 06/14/07
Macs aren't even close to competitively priced  NonZealot | 06/14/07
Very nice - and notice no response.  fr0thy2. | 06/14/07
you know you are doing the same thing  doh123 | 06/14/07
Good Point but...  fr0thy2. | 06/15/07
Never buy a car from a used car salesman (NZ)  Ole Man | 07/17/07
There's no way out of the stupidity you posted  .3 | 06/14/07
Technically true, but functionally inaccurate.  Joel R | 06/14/07
Forgot to mention:  Joel R | 06/14/07
It must be nearly midsumer, the nuts are ripe  jobert48@... | 06/14/07
Drivers...  sbeckstead@... | 06/14/07
This is what I meant  enriqg | 06/14/07
Getting back on topic...  djdawson | 06/14/07
Nothing to see, move along now...  gtrguy | 06/14/07
With over a year...  sbeckstead@... | 06/14/07
dang trackback is er broke  sbeckstead@... | 06/14/07
Ah well  sbeckstead@... | 06/14/07
one feature stands out most to me...  TechieTim | 06/14/07
Heard great things about the new filesystem?  NonZealot | 06/14/07
oops!  doh123 | 06/14/07
Religious wars  alfrescissimo | 06/14/07
Uhh, stacks Mary Jo?  aaronmiller@... | 06/15/07
For one thing...  hdinin | 06/15/07
End of OS wars - maturity  mmay | 06/15/07
Cause celebre?  johnfenjackson@... | 06/15/07
Bravo and keep up the good work Mary Jo.  Technocrat@... | 06/15/07
Reasonable response to your question  jonkelling@... | 06/15/07
That was great!!!  007baf | 06/15/07
More Windows Vs. Mac Vs. other GUI rehash...  nix_hed | 06/15/07
Honesty is worth gold...  Narg | 06/15/07
Good job  Freebird54 | 06/16/07
For future ref, MJ:  cornfreak | 06/17/07
oh yes!  slimwasim@... | 06/17/07
From a .Net developer  SquishyParts | 06/17/07
I use both every day: Leopard is better for me  ryantheredder | 06/18/07
Yes, your headline choice was poor  labarker | 06/18/07
Mac OS X features  fantomen@... | 06/20/07
Automation seems cool  levicki | 06/20/07
It's the server OS, not the client...  Sporeman | 06/20/07
write about what you know  rclass@... | 06/20/07
most of all the trolling possibilities  vilppuu@... | 07/13/07
Try some Leopard demos yourself  intrepi@... | 07/17/07
******** mac freaks at it again  pcguy777 | 07/17/07
Scott Finney switched from Windows to Mac  Ole Man | 07/17/07
Leopard does look like Vista ONLY BETTER  mikifinaz1@... | 07/17/07
I agree Leopard does have more appeal  intrepi@... | 07/17/07
Mary go to Mac's website, Leopard has demos  intrepi@... | 07/17/07
One thing Microsoft and Mcintosh compete equally well in  Ole Man | 07/17/07
I tend to agree with you...  8string | 07/17/07
"Who copies who" is US IT  bcroner | 07/18/07
Further comments  bcroner | 07/18/07
RE: Leopard vs. Vista: Take two  Jackie150 | 10/09/09
RE: Leopard vs. Vista: Take two  sexy costumes | 11/11/09
RE: Leopard vs. Vista: Take two  cheap glasses | 11/20/09

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