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June 27th, 2007

On the Web, no one knows you're a Microsoft employee

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 11:55 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Google, Web 2.0

Tags: Google Inc., Web, Employee, Microsoft Corp., E-mail, Mary Jo Foley

On June 26, an anonymous blogger posted a first entry on a new “Just Say No to Google” blog. The subject of the inagural post: “Life at Google - The Microsoftie Perspective.” (The e-mail is now also linked and being discussed on Slashdot.)

The post raises not only some interesting cultural comparisons between the two rivals, but also some questions about who and what you can believe on the Web.

The text of the “Life at Google” post is an edited version of an e-mail message allegedly making the rounds inside Microsoft about the shortcomings of working at Google. The version posted to the Web omits the name of the person allegedly circulating this message, as well as identifying information about the former Google employee who supposedly returned to Microsoft and provided this brain dump on what’s working and not working for Google in terms of hiring and maintaining its workforce.

Who would you expect to be behind the new blog? A Microsoft recruiter/employee? A Google recruiter/employee? Neither?

The obvious answer would be a Microsoft employee. But look at the comments at the top of the new post: There are many, allegedly from Microsoft employees, criticizing the anonymous “Just Say No” blogger for making the “Life at Google” e-mail public.

The next question becomes: Are these real Microsoft employees criticizing the decision to publicize this e-mail? Trolls? Again, it’s impossible to tell. I would think Microsoft employees would be in favor of this e-mail coming to light, since it portrays Google as a mostly unattractive place to work… Sure, Microsoft could provide employees with free cafeteria food or to get computer help/parts from a centralized TechStop, a la Google. But otherwise, the e-mail is not very pro-Google.

I’ve seen what allegedly is the original version of this message, thanks to an anonymous tipster. I was trying to check the validity of the mail before I blogged about it. Here’s the text, sans redactions, from the version of this e-mail that I saw:

“Many of you were asking for the feedback I received from my interview with the former Google employee I hired into WEX Development as a Sr.SDE. Here it is. This candidate is also a former MS employee who left the company and founded a “start-up” called Phatbits. Phatbits was purchased by Google and he was hired on as a Senior Software Engineer II / Technical Lead. Here is his take on Google’s environment as well as areas Microsoft should consider improving in order to be more competitive.”

OK. So this should be relatively easy to check (I’d think). Phatbits was founded by three guys. Two of the three are not Microsoft employees. I e-mailed the third guy and asked whether the e-mail I saw was real and whether he was the impetus for it. So far, no response

Update: Just heard back and the third founder confirms that he, indeed, left Google and returned to Microsoft. Sounds like the e-mail reflects his views accurately. He also told me he is not the one who created the blog and posted the e-mail to it.

I also have e-mailed the alleged author of the e-mail, who supposedly is a Microsoft recruiter, to check on the validity of the information in it. No response yet

Meanwhile, back to the original question: What’s real here? Who’s real here? On the Web, no one knows if you are a dog. Or a Microsoft (or Google) employee….

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Of Course He Worked For Both, We're Saying It Was Likely Choreographed...
...like an act you would see at halftime at a football game.

--Doug Hettinger (Read the rest)
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exciting place to work  code_Warrior | 06/27/07
Who cares in any way?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/27/07
you're wrong on a few things  code_Warrior | 06/27/07
That's the Don Rupert way!  DonRupertBitByte | 06/27/07
justification  code_Warrior | 06/27/07
Then you shouldn't start them.....  linux for me | 06/27/07
My Gawd,  sbeckstead@... | 06/27/07
Just an example of the  Linux User 147560 | 06/27/07
or...  evilkillerwhale@... | 06/28/07
you're wrong!  aussieblnd@... | 06/28/07
But, is this just a Microsoft employee spilling his guts or an orchistrated  DonnieBoy | 06/27/07
The Odds: 95% Orchestrated Campaign 5% Naturally Occurring  dhettinger | 06/27/07
re: The Odds: 95% Orchestrated Campaign 5% Naturally Occurring  M.R. Kennedy | 06/27/07
Invitations From a Bob Jones Grad and a Morbidly Obese Non-Drinker's...  dhettinger | 06/28/07
It must be nice to have the power to just make up stuff as you go. Not!  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
He did a pretty good job of arguing that it is NOT like MS to allow  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
No he didn't  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
Difference is John Caroll is Pre-Approved to Write...  dhettinger | 06/28/07
And, you offer NO argument. The statistic is question was an estimate based  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
I assume you have some evidence ...  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
The other peoples are offering REASONING, NOT insults, based on the limited  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
I'm Just Stating My Opinion Based on My Years...  dhettinger | 06/28/07
RE: Doug, so you are a disgruntled ex-employee ....  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
I Actually Thought My Post on Mgmt Styles Below...  dhettinger | 06/28/07
No I Am Not a MS Hater or Disgruntled...  dhettinger | 06/28/07
RE: Doug and DonnieBoy  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
That update has been there for a while. We still do not know if this was  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
RE: DonnieBoy  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
We STILL do NOT know the details or whether MS managers were involved in  DonnieBoy | 06/29/07
Of Course He Worked For Both, We're Saying It Was Likely Choreographed...  dhettinger | 06/29/07
Holds true for Google too  John Zern | 06/28/07
Much less true for Google. They are much more open about what they are  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
Try searching for "GooglePlex Tours". Also, see this article, with pictures  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
Googleplex Tours reffers only to virtual tours and ...  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
Sure, the tours can only be open to pre-approved groups. Who would NOT want  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
There are no tours.  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
If you want to believe that there are no tours at Google, well, I guess  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
DonnieBoy, that tactic just doesn't work.  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
You never gave a link or anything to substantiate the Google doe NOT give  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
You cannot prove a negative.  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
Well, a positive is a negative of a negative, so you can't prove a positive  DonnieBoy | 06/29/07
I don't know how stupid you can get.  ShadeTree | 06/29/07
I was just pointing out the stupidity of your statement: "You can not prove  DonnieBoy | 06/29/07
well..  evilkillerwhale@... | 06/28/07
This from the original astroturfer  Chad_z | 06/28/07
You sort em out, line em up and test em no axe  intrepi@... | 06/28/07
It's pretty much ALL suspect.  shawkins | 06/27/07
Interesting read  pauliusp | 06/27/07
Sounds like MS is desperate to try to stem the losses to Google and other  DonnieBoy | 06/27/07
I think you are wrong  pauliusp | 06/27/07
Google sure has nothing to hide here. It is Microsoft that seems to have  DonnieBoy | 06/27/07
Please. Lets not upset poor little Sergey and Larry  John Zern | 06/27/07
There is nothing to hide at Google. When I went there were bus loads of  DonnieBoy | 06/27/07
And?  GuidingLight | 06/27/07
lets reword that  GuidingLight | 06/27/07
You have to go to the Google Campus to understand it. It really is quite  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
I haven't had to either  John Zern | 06/28/07
Why to you hate the fact that Google has the best work environment on the  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
No one said anything negative about the Google work ....  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
So why are you so insistent that Google does not give tours to large  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
Because they don't!  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
And you don't have an arse either, it is your imagination.  DonnieBoy | 06/29/07
Why are you ...  ShadeTree | 06/29/07
You are the one making ridiculous statements. Why does it bother you that  DonnieBoy | 06/29/07
You have quite the active imagination.  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
LOL. I even tried it in Google  John Zern | 06/28/07
Google might not allow the general public to tour, but, believe me, there  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
DonnieBoy, ....  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
All big companies give tours, some a lot more than others. Google happens  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
I agree. DonnieBoy is full of it.  John Zern | 06/28/07
Why do you guys hate the Google environment so much??? Why are you so  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
Who said anything negative about the Google ...  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
We have nothing against Google, DB  John Zern | 06/28/07
But why are you so insistent that Google must not be giving lots of tours?  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
Why I'm instistent?  John Zern | 06/28/07
Universities and other organizations can call Google and arrange tours. It  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
RE: DonnieBoy  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
If you want to believe that Google does not give tours, I gues we can not  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
RE: DonnieBoy - Just stop it  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
Google offers tours for any University or other reputabl organizations.  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
Just stop!  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
You are the one embarassing yourself here. There are lots of Universities  DonnieBoy | 06/29/07
What is up with your fixation with ...  ShadeTree | 06/29/07
My fixation?? No, your fixation. Why do you care if people tour Google???  DonnieBoy | 06/29/07
is it me or?  desamuelson | 06/28/07
The number of tour groups at the GooglePlex at any one tim compared to the  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
It's the Managers That Make or Break Your Career Experience...  dhettinger | 06/27/07
Totally unsupported by the facts.  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
That Was the Fact Where I Was....  dhettinger | 06/29/07
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It's OK now.  dave.leigh@... | 06/28/07
Man, bend over and sing your head around and take a really good look at  DonnieBoy | 06/27/07
Great!  Linux User 147560 | 06/27/07
from the glaring lack of content...  jjarman | 06/28/07
How do we know .....  aussieblnd@... | 06/28/07
Who really cares about you being you or your post  intrepi@... | 06/28/07
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Read The Cult of the Amateur  Rick_R | 06/28/07
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Google hires a lot of non-geek types, and you do not need to be a Stanford  DonnieBoy | 06/28/07
google bus tours ?  thedudeistoocool@... | 06/28/07
"That in fact . . . you just have an Anti-Microsoft bias."  brian ansorge | 06/28/07
At least I can post my response ....  ShadeTree | 06/28/07
heheheheh - as some of my earlier posts show  llval@... | 06/28/07
but before somebody assumes I speak for google  llval@... | 06/28/07
One is selling you a bill of goods want to guess which Bill ?  intrepi@... | 06/28/07
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Mary Jo just reporting on public information. Microsoft should come clean  DonnieBoy | 06/29/07
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