Can't be stopped
Tim Patterson | 07/06/07
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Stopping theaft is not trying to stop open source.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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Nothing needs to be stolen to interoperate between Linux and MS. All that
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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Nothing new here...
comp_indiana | 07/09/07
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MSFT competes with themselves
zdnet-gregc | 07/21/09
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Theft?
Tim Patterson | 07/06/07
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He may have been [accidently, as usual] right!!
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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Semantics correction
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
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Who stole what?
Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/07
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Tada!
zkiwi | 07/06/07
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M$ legal says it's not worth their time ...
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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Ok mister lawyer
I'm Ye, the MS SHILL . | 07/08/07
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You, of course, mean that Microsoft has never sold
Update victim | 07/09/07
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Show Us The Code No_Axe ?
Intellihence | 08/28/07
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Problem
SuperSean | 07/06/07
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There is no IP in what is needed for interoperation. MS is actively working
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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No IP in MS interop?
DaveHowe | 07/07/07
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Wrong!
Tim Patterson | 07/06/07
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More complicated.
Anton Philidor | 07/06/07
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Completely wrong
chemist109 | 07/06/07
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RE: Problem
super_J | 07/06/07
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How is Microsoft not trying to work with open source?
Anton Philidor | 07/06/07
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documentation
gtdavies33@... | 07/06/07
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Such as?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/07/07
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Word97linebreak
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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A ten year old app?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/07/07
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Pfffft? Your tires are flat again?
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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Re: How is Microsoft not trying to work with open source?
none none | 07/06/07
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It's both the GPL and MS's terms
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
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My Bigger Problem...
SuperSean | 07/08/07
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"My Bigger Problem...Personally, I don't care"
Ole Man | 07/08/07
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Re: My Bigger Problem...
none none | 07/08/07
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ODF!
cheesyone | 07/09/07
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Massachusetts comes to mind
Update victim | 07/09/07
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Supersean,
Update victim | 07/09/07
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Software sold at retail...
laplatakid | 07/10/07
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losing
zzz1234567890 | 07/06/07
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Predicting Court decisions...
Anton Philidor | 07/06/07
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Again, there are no IP issues around interoperation. MS is actively
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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And all those Novell customers say your dead wrong.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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Again, interoperability is in no way connected to IP. Yes, customers
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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Who said anything about open???
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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Interoperability says open
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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Interop = propriatary
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/07/07
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Oooohh!! Nasty bite!!
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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I'm a Novell customer
Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/07
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A 386 in your basement doesn't quite count.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/07/07
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You not only presume to speak for Novell's customers...
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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Exactly which Novell customers have you actually spoken with?
B.O.F.H. | 07/07/07
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40,000 polled, 90% said they loved it
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/07/07
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Still making stuff up, eh?
B.O.F.H. | 07/07/07
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Link
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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No Axe, the hit-and-run MS lover
aboulley | 07/09/07
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Larry The Cable Guy says...
cheesyone | 07/09/07
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Your prediction is wrong
Marbux | 07/07/07
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Marbux!! Good to see an informed legal opinion for a change.
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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The courts will do no such thing
Michael Kelly | 07/07/07
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Not that it matters
Freebird54 | 07/09/07
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Link to prior talkback
SpikeyMike | 11/08/07
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whachusmokin'?
zoroaster | 07/07/07
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Outrage over GPLv3 trying to tell MS what to do with it's IP is misplaced.
FlakMagnet | 07/09/07
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losing and a bulletin about GPL3 and Linux
TtfnJohn | 07/09/07
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Amen
super_J | 07/06/07
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The GPL-3 has no control over MS
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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You are correct - there is little for Microsoft to worry about
WiredGuy | 07/06/07
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That's the crux of the issue
rob@... | 07/06/07
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should be interesting
zoroaster | 07/07/07
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Fulfillment house as bullet-proof shield?
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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Did you license your time machine to ?
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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The worst that can happen
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
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It is not that simple. Once you distribute GPL3 software you can not
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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This is the real world
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
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It would not exatly be retroactive. The license would apply when the
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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Quite honestly
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
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Unfortunately, you will allways miss the point, or truth, as
GuidingLight | 07/08/07
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One public statement is
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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And that's fine
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
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Or, Novell itself
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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Re: Or, Novell itself
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
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Correction...
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
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No, they couldn't, Axeless.
nighthawk808 | 07/09/07
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Novell challenge GPLv3?? Buwhahahahaha!!
Still Lynn | 07/10/07
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Re: This is the real world
none none | 07/06/07
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Right on! Me too
Ole Man | 07/07/07
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Obviously, MS is running scared or they would not have felt the need to
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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Nothing stupid in the statement and they look very
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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So why are you here?
GuidingLight | 07/08/07
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You are right bit
Tim Patterson | 07/06/07
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But, what constitutes distribution is not exactly clear, and might leave MS
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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often
zoroaster | 07/07/07
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Not true.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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The GPL3 was very well written and also reviewed by lawyers outside of FSF,
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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And my lawyer can whup your lawyer.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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Your lawyer would probubly tell you the same thing.
B.O.F.H. | 07/07/07
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Agreed
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
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I disagree...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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He wants to bring down proprietary software
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
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And he wants
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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Good point!
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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You are as confused as ever about the GPL
none none | 07/06/07
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Sorry but you are wrong.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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Re: Sorry but you are wrong.
none none | 07/06/07
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I guess you have to be shown.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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Re: I guess you have to be shown.
none none | 07/06/07
|
     
8 and 9
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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Re: 8 and 9
none none | 07/06/07
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Your cluelessness is astounding.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/07/07
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Oh NOOOO!!! Watch out!!
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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Re: Your cluelessness is astounding.
none none | 07/07/07
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You are confused on licensing of Copywrited works.
B.O.F.H. | 07/06/07
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No one is saying use GPL-3, that's nto the problem.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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Always my favorite part of Eben Moglen's speeches
benanzo | 07/06/07
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Still around, still in town, and still....... relevant
Ole Man | 07/07/07
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GPL and MS
DaveHowe | 07/07/07
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GPL and Microsoft
Ole Man | 07/08/07
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No, not even close.
FlakMagnet | 07/09/07
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No control...
Update victim | 07/09/07
|

Bzzzt yourself.
nighthawk808 | 07/09/07
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Revisiting your past
SpikeyMike | 11/08/07
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who needs money? when...
ruped24 | 07/06/07
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Microsoft Running Scared
chessmen | 07/06/07
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Hmmm, seems open source was so scared
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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So why does MS need to create bad publicity? Why say anything if they are
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
|
  
I think stating their position
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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So if there is not legal doubt about this, why is MS taking the time to
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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Informing end users is a good thing.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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Then why did MS not just write letters to all customers reiterating their
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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See answer to the same post above.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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...it is the FSF claiming they have rights to MS IP...
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
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Microsoft wants people to buy $400 beta software
Randalllind | 07/06/07
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Then don't buy it and run along...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
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His comment was very appropriate. MS it trying to jump the shark with
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
|
  
Show me
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
 
Wonderful Idea!
Ole Man | 07/07/07
|

I heard ...
zoroaster | 07/07/07
|
 
Propagation, not "distribution"
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
|
Open Source cutting its own throat
GeiselS@... | 07/06/07
|

I agree completely, give the user what they want
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
 
Well, with MS working feverishly behind the scenes to create baroque,
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
|
  
Seems to be working for Novell.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|

You will find that it takes fewer admins for Linux servers than Windows
DonnieBoy | 07/06/07
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The explain, if thats the case
John Zern | 07/08/07
|

Some wrong assumptions
tombalablomba | 07/06/07
|

My own experience
A.Sinic | 07/07/07
|
 
What experience?
zephyr2112@... | 07/07/07
|

The Grinch that stole the IT budget?
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
|

Too bad you didn't read your Microsoft EULA
Ole Man | 07/07/07
|
 
Excellent link!
cheesyone | 07/09/07
|

There's no compulsion....
ConfusedOne | 07/15/07
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The better question, Are the FSF lawyers really this dumb.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|

Name calling again, Rupert?
DonRupertBitByte | 07/06/07
|
 
There were no names called. Learn to read.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
  
I compliment your dumbness then
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
|

So why are you so worried
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
|
 
Yes and no
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
  
So don't link it
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
|
  
Re: Yes and no
none none | 07/06/07
|
   
Because that is not what they want.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
    
"for a fee......aren't interested in paying for it"
Ole Man | 07/08/07
|
  
Wow..
Patrick Jones | 07/06/07
|
   
I have to claim some ignorance here too
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
|
   
And if they stay under LGPL fine.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
  
You are mixing up 2 licences here.
B.O.F.H. | 07/06/07
|
   
No mix up at all.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
    
You could have said the same thing
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
|
     
Not true
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
     
That's wrong
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
|
  
But if your code is so much better...
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
|

Now you're a legal expert, too
Chad_z | 07/06/07
|
 
Not a lawyer, just a smart businessman
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
  
s/smart/sharp/
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
|
  
Why don't we clear the air?
Ole Man | 07/07/07
|

A copyright is not a license
code_flogger | 07/06/07
|
 
Minor correction
code_flogger | 07/06/07
|
OSS
interele | 07/06/07
|

You are right.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
 
The question is....
NetArch. | 07/06/07
|
  
Well, that is certainly a zealots opinion.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
   
How come every time....
NetArch. | 07/06/07
|
    
And why won't you face up to it?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
     
"isn't it a bit strange"?
Ole Man | 07/07/07
|
     
Easy to determine validity
Freebird54 | 07/09/07
|
 
Unintentional repudiation? Or legal defense strategy?
Still Lynn | 07/07/07
|

Incorrect
Alan(UK) | 07/07/07
|
Former Bush Admin Lawyers?
Swashbuckler2 | 07/06/07
|
No surprises here.
Anton Philidor | 07/06/07
|

Dumb like a fox???
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
 
Pot = kettle
NetArch. | 07/06/07
|
  
More lies.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
   
Sorry, but you are wrong
NetArch. | 07/06/07
|
    
And you are being deliberately obtuse.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
     
Interoperability between Windows and Linux
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
|
     
My turn to be obtuse.
Alan(UK) | 07/07/07
|
   
Got that right!
FlakMagnet | 07/09/07
|
   
Forced to "give" it away?
cheesyone | 07/09/07
|
   
Yup, those are more lies alright.
Still Lynn | 07/10/07
|
   
lies?
Ole Man | 07/10/07
|
   
Sorry Ax - it's been entertaining...
ConfusedOne | 07/15/07
|
 
Forget Court cases.
Anton Philidor | 07/06/07
|
 
MS always had the opening
Michael Kelly | 07/06/07
|
 
GPL3 is not anti-interoperability.
FlakMagnet | 07/09/07
|

Re: No surprises here.
none none | 07/06/07
|
 
Recognition is not admission
Anton Philidor | 07/06/07
|
  
Re: Recognition is not admission
none none | 07/06/07
|
   
Smart moves, I'd say.
Anton Philidor | 07/06/07
|
    
Re: Smart moves, I'd say.
none none | 07/06/07
|
    
Re: Smart moves, I'd say.
none none | 07/07/07
|
 
And yet it scared FSF so much
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
  
Really now....
nbjayme | 07/07/07
|

MS lost this round
TripleII | 07/06/07
|
 
Not hardly...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/07
|
  
You Are Wrong
chohman | 07/07/07
|
   
He's accurate here.
Anton Philidor | 07/08/07
|
    
I doubt if ANYONE was surprised
Ole Man | 07/08/07
|
 
"facts not in evidence"?
Ole Man | 07/07/07
|
 
Easy predictions
Anton Philidor | 07/08/07
|
  
"Easy predictions"
Ole Man | 07/08/07
|
patent lawyers
sjaaxken | 07/06/07
|
MJF, they're technically correct...
olePigeon | 07/06/07
|
You are forgetting std MS operating procedure
dfolk | 07/06/07
|
Safe money is on Microsoft.
ye | 07/06/07
|

A proven track record?
Tony Agudo | 07/06/07
|

Yes, but the wrong reason
TripleII | 07/06/07
|
MICROSOFT IS DONE! Gate's now 2nd richest man in the world!
John Zern | 07/06/07
|

Ah, I read about that...
Tony Agudo | 07/06/07
|
So what is gonna give?
daMan25 | 07/06/07
|

Guess what?
nbjayme | 07/08/07
|
Microsoft Legal?
Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/07
|
The interesting thing is that MS felt it needed to respond...
BanjoPaterson | 07/06/07
|

I think you are correct
dfolk | 07/06/07
|

Well...
SuperSean | 07/08/07
|
First they ignore you ...
code_flogger | 07/06/07
|
Microsoft has shown in the past...
owidder | 07/06/07
|
MS' SCO ploy lasted 5 years; Their new ploys will last another 5; then ...
Basic Logic | 07/06/07
|

In 5 years
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/07/07
|
 
Only if their patent FUD campaign works, but...
Basic Logic | 07/07/07
|
This whole thing just makes me wonder...
zkiwi | 07/06/07
|

Well, I'd say, yes
Mitch 74 | 07/07/07
|
 
Handing out coupons is not distribution.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/07/07
|
  
maybe this is?
ruped24 | 07/07/07
|
   
Meaningless when it comes to open source.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/07/07
|
    
M$ Distributes GPL. AND that is a fact.
ruped24 | 07/07/07
|
     
But not GPLv3
Michael Kelly | 07/07/07
|
  
FYI:distribution
ruped24 | 07/07/07
|
   
And what has that to do with GPL-3
No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/07/07
|
    
you can lead a horse to water but ... how?
ruped24 | 07/07/07
|
Cooked
robjack | 07/07/07
|
Are Microsoft's patent lawyers really this dumb?
Ole Man | 07/07/07
|

Yes, when it comes to lawyers, you got it right
John Zern | 07/08/07
|
 
I'm sure you are correct
Ole Man | 07/08/07
|
Novell, "Business as Usual"
D-T-Schmitz | 07/08/07
|
I'm with PJ - lets all declare we are not bound by Microsoft's EULA!
whisperycat | 07/09/07
|
I'm through with this bologne
bcroner | 07/09/07
|
I've read a lot of very wise comments here, but...
jgisme2@... | 07/09/07
|
Software not patentable...
Narg | 07/09/07
|
All patents must die [nt]
Omch'Ar | 07/09/07
|
Newsflash: This can't be happening, as No_Ax said it CAN NOT!
SpikeyMike | 07/09/07
|
I'll give you ONE WORD that sums this up
Old Timer 8080 | 07/09/07
|
Lawyers & pimps don't care who pays or why
intrepi@... | 07/09/07
|

That is a practical view
Ole Man | 07/10/07
|
maby they are right
zbow1974 | 07/10/07
|
Are Microsoft's patent lawyers really this dumb?
LilBambi_z | 07/10/07
|
How will MS cooperate with communistic economy-destroying "cancer"?
Still Lynn | 07/10/07
|
MS Titanic
phil77@... | 07/12/07
|
IP vs. IP
THEE WOLF | 07/13/07
|
RE: Are Microsoft's patent lawyers really this dumb?
sexy costumes | 11/11/09
|