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August 28th, 2007

Free Software Foundation: No GPLv3 exemptions for Microsoft

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 11:54 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Legal, Linux, Novell

Tags: GPL, Novell Inc., Free Software Foundation, Microsoft Corp., GPLv3, Mary Jo Foley

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It took the Free Software Foundation almost two months. But the organization has finally issued an official statement regarding Microsoft’s claim that it won’t be bound by terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 3 as part of its patent-protection deals with open-source vendors.

In its press release dated July 5, 2007, Microsoft announced that it was not going to provide patent protection to Novell customers using software licensed under the GPL v3.

“We regard Microsoft’s decision (not to be willing or able to provide patent protection for GPLv3 software) with satisfaction,” said the FSF in a statement issued on August 28.

“We do not, however, agree with Microsoft’s characterization of the situation involving GPLv3. Microsoft cannot by any act of anticipatory repudiation divest itself of its obligation to respect others’ copyrights. If Microsoft distributes our works licensed under GPLv3, or pays others to distribute them on its behalf, it is bound to do so under the terms of that license. It may not do so under any other terms; it cannot declare itself exempt from the requirements of GPLv3.”

In early July, Microsoft published a statement to its Web site claiming that its patent-protection/interoperability deal with Novell would not result in Microsoft being bound by the terms of the GPL v3, even if and when Novell moves to that version of the license for its Linux and open-source offerings. Microsoft’s statement:

“While there have been some claims that Microsoft’s distribution of certificates for Novell support services, under our interoperability collaboration with Novell, constitutes acceptance of the GPLv3 license, we do not believe that such claims have a valid legal basis under contract, intellectual property, or any other law. In fact, we do not believe that Microsoft needs a license under GPL to carry out any aspect of its collaboration with Novell, including its distribution of support certificates, even if Novell chooses to distribute GPLv3 code in the future.”

Microsoft provided a similar statement, regarding its deal with Linspire, noting it would not guarantee to protect any Linspire client software licensed under the GPLv3. (If it also issued one regarding Xandros, I have yet to find it.)

As others across the Web have noted, there seems to be a not-so-veiled legal threat in FSF’s statement, as well:

“Microsoft has said that it expects respect for its so-called ‘intellectual property’ — a propaganda term designed to confuse patent law with copyright and other unrelated laws, and to muddy the different issues they raise. We will ensure — and, to the extent of our resources, assist other GPLv3 licensors in ensuring — that Microsoft respects our copyrights and complies with our licenses.”

What’s next, I wonder? Will one or more Linux customers or vendors push the issue so that the FSF and/or its members sue Microsoft over this? What’s your guess as to what will happen here?

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They are not distributing GPLv3 software
"What they are trying to say is that, although they are distributing GPLv3 software"

They're not. Yet.

Not even via coupon.... (Read the rest)
Posted by: Resuna Posted on: 09/10/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Could the FSF...  Anton Philidor | 08/28/07
Only if MicroSoft allows ME to opt out of theirs  kd5auq | 08/28/07
The industry is lawyered up.  Anton Philidor | 08/28/07
SCO - part 2  kd5auq | 08/28/07
Might be possible.  DemonX | 08/29/07
Retarded...  GeiselS@... | 08/28/07
RE: Retarded... ?  ruped24 | 08/28/07
That's a stretch  John Zern | 08/28/07
of your imagination? wink  ruped24 | 08/28/07
Windows Routers?  jjarman | 08/28/07
Re: That's a stretch  none none | 08/29/07
Correct, FSF can not say anything to MS  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
They enter an agreemnt...  Stuka | 08/28/07
Yes and no  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
No exceptions  goxk@... | 08/28/07
Sorry but no...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Well you keep saying  goxk@... | 08/28/07
No_Ax made some very confident predictions regarding SCO ...  George Mitchell | 08/28/07
UPS will not be sitting in jail  Ole Man | 08/28/07
Then No_Ax, you and Microsoft agree  johnf76@... | 08/28/07
You're right  Larry the Security Guy | 08/29/07
CD by UPS still has copyright  bbaston@... | 08/30/07
Half right.  Nobu_z | 09/03/07
This still isn't clear to you?  SpikeyMike | 09/04/07
What you need pounded into your thick skull  Ole Man | 08/28/07
They sure did under the GPLv2  osreinstall | 08/28/07
No, MS never distributed anything.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
I was getting at that.  osreinstall | 08/28/07
Even more, you can't retroactive enforce  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
I know. He must be applying FM.  osreinstall | 08/28/07
So sayeth the law firm  Ole Man | 08/28/07
So responded the clueless  osreinstall | 08/28/07
So responded the clueless  Ole Man | 08/29/07
Strike two!  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Except...  cheesyone | 08/29/07
I mentioned that before.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
HUH???  rattatatt@... | 08/30/07
Whatever Tommygun  osreinstall | 08/30/07
Re: No, MS never distributed anything.  none none | 08/29/07
You got it a liitle bit wrong  goxk@... | 08/28/07
Just the tickets or coupon part.  osreinstall | 08/28/07
You see  goxk@... | 08/28/07
I see just fine.  osreinstall | 08/28/07
I see what you are saying  goxk@... | 08/28/07
"even licenses definitely have to have date limits"  Ole Man | 08/28/07
re: I see what you are saying.  osreinstall | 08/28/07
There is no such thing as forever old man.  osreinstall | 08/28/07
Doesn't need Samba  goxk@... | 08/28/07
They really don't need it now.  osreinstall | 08/28/07
Maybe they don't  goxk@... | 08/29/07
Really, they don't.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
There is no such thing as forever  Ole Man | 08/29/07
Another violater of logic thought.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Re: Really they Don't  goxk@... | 08/29/07
Give the doublespeak a rest.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Told you  goxk@... | 08/29/07
All you told, was your own name calling.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Buzzzt wrong...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Before you make claims  goxk@... | 08/28/07
"GPLv2 or later"  s_souche | 08/29/07
We have not disagreed  goxk@... | 08/29/07
From whence came you law degree?  Ole Man | 08/28/07
Are you still mad at the world?  osreinstall | 08/28/07
You sound like someone  Ole Man | 08/29/07
You really are having a hard time on Terra Firma.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Thanks be to Heaven!  Ole Man | 08/30/07
There is no heaven with you around.  osreinstall | 08/31/07
Do you think Novell will reject ALL GPLv3 code?  mdsmedia | 08/28/07
No, but indemnified customers will.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
I am going to enjoy destroying your FUD  goxk@... | 08/29/07
You have no logic.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Go read this  goxk@... | 08/29/07
He is wrong. So are you.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
And you think you are right  goxk@... | 08/29/07
Of course I do.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Breath In and Out  goxk@... | 08/29/07
Most normal folks do.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Such a simple question you cannot  goxk@... | 08/29/07
Oh boy you are such a piece of work.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
I guess you never heard of the term Analysis  goxk@... | 08/29/07
I think you need analysis.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
You guys are confusing everybody...  Nobu_z | 09/03/07
I have Confused nothing Nobu_Z  goxk@... | 09/03/07
Some folks just don't get it.  osreinstall | 09/03/07
Now we are getting somewhere  goxk@... | 09/04/07
You are still wrong.  osreinstall | 09/04/07
Let me set this record straight  goxk@... | 09/04/07
Yes you sure did. NOT!  osreinstall | 09/04/07
My final words on this  Nobu_z | 09/04/07
To Nobu_z  goxk@... | 09/04/07
Good, you are hard to follow Nobu  osreinstall | 09/04/07
Still confused osreinstall?  goxk@... | 09/04/07
To goxk.  osreinstall | 09/04/07
Just one last thing. It seems my grammer is in question.  Nobu_z | 09/04/07
It seems that  goxk@... | 09/04/07
It isn't very good, nobu.  osreinstall | 09/04/07
Hey Nobu_z  goxk@... | 09/04/07
RE: It isn't very good, nobu.  Nobu_z | 09/04/07
Sorry about your luck, Nobu  osreinstall | 09/04/07
Hey Goxk  osreinstall | 09/04/07
*Laughs out loud*  Nobu_z | 09/04/07
No one cares Nubo  osreinstall | 09/04/07
Now Now osreinstall just because Nobu_z  goxk@... | 09/04/07
RE: No one cares Nubo  Nobu_z | 09/04/07
Whatever Noobu  osreinstall | 09/04/07
Come On Gokx  osreinstall | 09/04/07
Now you bring up false truths?  Nobu_z | 09/04/07
Yep Nobu.  osreinstall | 09/04/07
Okay...  Nobu_z | 09/04/07
Also.  Nobu_z | 09/04/07
Forget it.  osreinstall | 09/04/07
I will nitpik you back.  osreinstall | 09/04/07
I will, probably.  Nobu_z | 09/04/07
Forgot to mention...  Nobu_z | 09/04/07
And if you'll notice...  Nobu_z | 09/04/07
Viewed the code in page source in Mozilla.  osreinstall | 09/05/07
You are sooooooo naive!  cheesyone | 08/29/07
You are soooooo full of it.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
FSF does not need to say anything to MS  Ole Man | 08/28/07
Thats not even the question.  DemonX | 08/29/07
Very true unless....  maldain | 08/29/07
Re: Correct, FSF can not say anything to MS  none none | 08/29/07
Wrong: copyright license is not optional and not a contract  bbaston@... | 08/29/07
Re: Retarded...  none none | 08/29/07
Propaganda  John Zern | 08/28/07
It is a propaganda term  John L. Ries | 08/28/07
It is propaganda  goxk@... | 08/28/07
Yes, the law suit is coming.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Wow, both Microsoft and the Open Source community are going to sue you?  B.O.F.H. | 08/28/07
Good.  paul@... | 08/29/07
Re: Good.  none none | 08/29/07
GPL3  soonerproud | 08/28/07
You missed the boat  Ole Man | 08/28/07
You've missed the point.  rtk | 08/28/07
Let the spinning wheel spin  Ole Man | 08/28/07
No you missed, by a mile  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Correct  soonerproud | 08/28/07
Very good point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
You (and Microsoft) might want to remember that  Ole Man | 08/28/07
I am afraid  goxk@... | 08/28/07
Yes you are afraid that your wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Hubris  goxk@... | 08/28/07
Same juvenile rant!  Ole Man | 08/28/07
I'm sorry...  A.Sinic | 08/28/07
I am more sorry  goxk@... | 08/29/07
Again, where did you get your law degree?  Ole Man | 08/28/07
Ad hominem attacks bad for community  Flash00 | 08/29/07
A law degree is only the tip of the iceberg  Ole Man | 08/30/07
Actually, it's a mutual licensing agreement  maldain | 08/29/07
You missed my point  soonerproud | 08/28/07
True  goxk@... | 08/28/07
Novell is distributing the software  soonerproud | 08/28/07
Still Mistaken  goxk@... | 08/28/07
GPL has never been challenged  soonerproud | 08/28/07
OOps wrong post  goxk@... | 08/28/07
GPL is not for distributor  s_souche | 08/29/07
The GPL is especially for the distributor  goxk@... | 08/29/07
GPL & Distribution  s_souche | 08/29/07
RE : GPL & Distribution  goxk@... | 08/29/07
How do you challenge a license?  goxk@... | 08/28/07
You finally make sense (although you can't see it)  Ole Man | 08/28/07
Thanks Ole man. Let them know  goxk@... | 08/28/07
The nub of the matter  A.Sinic | 08/28/07
So, I never entered into an agreement with Microsoft  kd5auq | 08/28/07
Nope, when you started the Dell  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Yes you did  soonerproud | 08/28/07
He knows that, he is just being obtuse.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Could make for a VERY interesting ruling ...  George Mitchell | 08/28/07
"end up as nasty as the SCO case"  Ole Man | 08/28/07
It must be an implied contract  s_souche | 08/29/07
The GPL license has legal standing ...  bbaston@... | 08/29/07
Are you sure Facts are permitted here?  Ole Man | 08/30/07
Don't trust No_Ax for a legal opinion ...  George Mitchell | 08/28/07
Don't trust anyone without a law degree with a legal opinion  soonerproud | 08/28/07
Then go read what the lawyers are saying  goxk@... | 08/28/07
I have  soonerproud | 08/28/07
Thats Good  goxk@... | 08/28/07
I can sell Coupons until . . .  JLHenry | 08/28/07
I have responded to this  goxk@... | 08/28/07
Might make it interesting  Ole Man | 08/28/07
Replies:  JLHenry | 08/29/07
Not Correct......  linux for me | 08/29/07
Replies:  Ole Man | 08/29/07
Have you ever bought a book?  bbaston@... | 08/29/07
If M$ Ain't Caught, Why their Fuss?  mannyamador | 08/29/07
Microsoft needs to respect others  Randalllind | 08/29/07
Respect!!!  wwwsupport | 08/29/07
So Novell is legally at fault, not MS  Why_Not_Me | 08/29/07
All those entering patent deals w/MS DID violate GPL  bbaston@... | 08/30/07
Ain't I glad  goxk@... | 08/30/07
Microsoft's real fear  sdgeek | 08/29/07
Yes, and No.  JLHenry | 08/29/07
Novell's GPLv3 exemption  bbaston@... | 08/30/07
FSF is blowing FUD... at *MICROSOFT*. happy happy happy  Resuna | 08/29/07
I see the IF - you don't get it.  Mitch 74 | 08/29/07
Thank you  goxk@... | 08/29/07
They are not distributing GPLv3 software  Resuna | 09/10/07
Pandoras box  leeepson7800 | 08/29/07
Response to MJ Foley article calling Stallman thickheaded  wanderson | 08/29/07
restriction are for developper  s_souche | 08/29/07
Punishment Without Representation  MasterJoe | 08/29/07
Interesting  goxk@... | 08/29/07
I see that the "idiot-proof" software  Ole Man | 08/30/07
Ole man I don't Know if you will read this but  goxk@... | 09/01/07
Try a little test..  gypkap@... | 08/29/07
What is sopyright  s_souche | 08/29/07
"I don't think"  Ole Man | 08/30/07
Hence the reason that standards and...  SpikeyMike | 09/04/07
You Got a License, so do I  David@... | 08/29/07
This is the smartest message here  goxk@... | 08/29/07
On the contrary  Ole Man | 08/30/07
I was being sacrcastic  goxk@... | 08/30/07
I knew that, Pard  Ole Man | 09/01/07
License is not a contract - and copyright licence is not optional  bbaston@... | 08/29/07
License is part of the contract  s_souche | 08/30/07
"dig that one out"  Ole Man | 08/30/07
License is not a contract - and it's simple to understand  bbaston@... | 08/30/07
And your point was?  Ole Man | 09/01/07
Microsoft has been using Linux for years  GreyGeek | 08/30/07
GPL does not attach any obligation to running programs  s_souche | 08/30/07
Too dumb to rate an explanation  Ole Man | 08/30/07
So What???  Sagax- | 08/31/07
You are only half right  Ole Man | 09/01/07
FSF = BORG  Bob.Kerns | 09/03/07
Okay Bob  goxk@... | 09/03/07
Sauce for the goose.  jlafitte | 09/04/07

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