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September 28th, 2007

Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 8:33 am

Categories: Corporate strategy, Internet Explorer, Windows 7, Windows client

Tags: Team, Microsoft Internet Explorer 7, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Corp., Web Browsers, Internet, Mary Jo Foley

How far along is Microsoft with the next version of Internet Explorer (IE) — which might be IE 7.5 or IE 8.0, depending on what Microsoft decided to do since last time we heard anything truly tangible from the IE team (which was about a year ago)?

Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafeningPosters on Microsoft’s Channel 9 site are asking for an IE update. Among them is Dave Massy — a former Senior Program Manager on the IE team who resigned from Microsoft in February 2007. Massy posted some of his qualms about the IE team’s silence this week on his new personal blog:

“I do agree though that the IE team needs to start talking to the developer community on a much more consistent basis. After the release of IE7 all online chats stopped. The online chats had been taking place every month since well before IE7 was under development. After the release of IE7 the bug reporting system was withdrawn. There have been vague promises that it was only temporary but it has now been almost a year and no replacement is in sight. The IE team does not have to give exact details of IE8 but their complete silence shows a complete lack of respect for the developer community.”

Developers need some concrete direction, Massy said:

“(C)ompanies are struggling to know which way to go around key strategic issues such as Vector Graphics Technology. Adobe are about to finally kill their SVG plugin and developers don’t know what to use instead. Is IE8 going to provide an answer and support SVG natively as other browsers are doing? It’s little surprise that web developers feel jerked around by IE. The longer the silence continues the more even I who was once part of the team starts to question if the IE team can deliver on any part of what is needed in the next generation browser.”

Massy points to Al Billings, another former member of the IE team (now working for the Mozilla Foundation), who also has been questioning why the IE team has been so quiet. Billings blogged:

“IE7 was done, really done, by the end of the Summer in 2006. Heck, it was done except for bug fixes when I left in May, 2006. It is now, officially, the Fall of 2007. It has been more than a year since work finished on IE7. More than 200 people work on Internet Explorer (heck, if you count ‘contingent staff’ as well as employees, there were more than 120 QA people on IE in mid-2006 and I bet over 100 developers). They’ve all been working on something for a year now. You wouldn’t know it by any public announcements, demonstrations, or posts on their blog. Most of what gets posted there is a retread on IE7 features and not terribly often at that.”

One poster on Billings’ site, “Trevor,” said he’d even be happy with new information from the IE team on something as seemingly innocuous as which bugs they’ve fixed in IE 7:

“Being ’secretive’ on new features is fine, but providing info on bugs that have been fixed, should be a #1 priority! It helps build confidence in the IE Team, and the IE Browser. Best of all, they don’t need to worry one bit about another browser copying them.”

To be fair, Microsoft officials did share some broad and open-ended design goals for the next version of IE at Mix ‘07 in early May. Chris Wilson, Platform Architect for IE, said Microsoft was investing across layout, object model and Ajax development with IE 8.0 and that IE 8.0 would be more compliant with CSS 2.1 layout standards. He also said Microsoft was planning to allow developers to add extensions to IE more easily.

Wilson said to expect Microsoft to be investing across layout, object model and Ajax development fronts in IE 8.0. Specificially, Wilson said Microsoft is investing in making IE 8.0 more compliant with CSS 2.1 layout standards. Microsoft also is working to make the IE 8.0 object model more interoperable with that used by other browsers, and is looking to provide more client-side application programming interfaces (APIs) to support local storage for mash-ups, Wilson said.

In May, Microsoft reps said they were looking to release the next versino of IE two years after IE 7.0 — which would mean some time in 2008. If that date is still good, it seems like the new release should be in testing outside of Microsoft at this point. (Anyone out there in a private alpha/beta/CTP?) Or maybe there’s no word because the next IE has been pushed back?

IE team: What’s the word?

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Let the sound of crickets ring! (NT)  JT82 | 09/28/07
IE7... LOL  velkymx@... | 09/28/07
CSS3 isn't finished yet - and *nobody* really supports it.  CobraA1 | 09/28/07
I'll have to take a look  erikmidtskogen | 10/01/07
Heard of Laszlo?  too_much green_tea | 10/01/07
About CSS3  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/01/07
IE7...The Silence Is Deafening  itanalyst | 09/28/07
In my place..  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/28/07
In my place..  minori_aoi | 10/10/07
Holding On to IE6  supercharlie | 09/28/07
You need to start moving away.  TripleII | 09/28/07
Start Moving Away To Firefox  chessmen | 09/28/07
Except...  robert.paul@... | 09/28/07
"doesn't rock with SharePoint..."  jacarter3 | 10/01/07
Sharepoint?  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/01/07
Ease of moving to Firefox?  robert.walsh@... | 10/01/07
www.getfirefox.com  KWierso | 10/01/07
???  Madsmasher | 11/08/07
Opera is #1 in security  erikmidtskogen | 10/01/07
Because their focus is elsewhere  Chad_z | 09/28/07
Exactly, they're hunting for more money instead.  Mikael_z | 09/30/07
No longer?  erikmidtskogen | 10/01/07
From a users prosective  redtrain65 | 09/28/07
"What great strides"?? How about...  robert.paul@... | 09/28/07
RE: From a users prosective  nwoodson@... | 09/28/07
SVG is obsolete!  qmlscycrajg | 09/28/07
WPF - not for me  jacarter3 | 09/28/07
SVG is standard  shis-ka-bob | 09/28/07
no web site uses SVG  qmlscycrajg | 09/29/07
Wikipedia does  CobraA1 | 09/30/07
Two things  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/01/07
Internet Exploder - who cares anyway? [nt]  jacarter3 | 09/28/07
I do  quikboy | 09/28/07
Valid comments  Bozzer | 09/30/07
I haven't tried  jacarter3 | 10/01/07
IE 7 rocks  erikmidtskogen | 10/01/07
What's up with Apple and Firefox anyway???  Rick_R | 09/28/07
Too funny - I give it a 9.8 [nt]  jacarter3 | 09/28/07
It's not that funny  quikboy | 09/28/07
It is too funny  jacarter3 | 10/01/07
Uh, YEAH...  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/01/07
Yo Rick  ronaldrogers@... | 10/27/07
IE 7 is rock solid  cnfrisch | 09/28/07
I agree  quikboy | 09/28/07
IE 7 is rock solid  velkymx@... | 09/28/07
DUMPED IE7 FOR IE6  brucelparsons@... | 09/29/07
ways to improve (you asked for it!)  Mitch 74 | 10/01/07
LOL  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/01/07
You've got to be kidding me aren't you?  johncburgess@... | 10/04/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  5ri | 09/28/07
Maybe for you  quikboy | 09/28/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  gosvatos | 09/29/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  gosvatos | 09/29/07
IE8? Who gives a darn about IE8?  TechExec2 | 09/29/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  jvansanten@... | 09/29/07
I'm hoping they are cocnentrating on Vista SP1 and their line of DX10 games  HypnoToad72 | 09/29/07
IE 7 plays catchup but plenty of room for improvement.  Solid Jedi Knight | 09/29/07
*shakes head*  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/01/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  conspiracy theory | 09/29/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: the UI and usability needs a lot more work  Tony Austin | 09/30/07
Agree: IE7, by its UI, is an unbelievable backstep  Michel Merlin | 10/10/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  conspiracy theory | 09/30/07
Sticking with IE6  CaptOska | 10/01/07
IE7 crashes  andycher | 10/01/07
Who cares?  Resuna | 10/01/07
The monopoly you love  ubaz2 | 10/01/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  asdf@... | 10/01/07
IE is a problem  ubaz2 | 10/01/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  cmryan@... | 10/01/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  amj2006 | 10/01/07
Finish Fixing IE7 First!  lmanley@... | 10/01/07
Re:  jnoooo | 10/01/07
on purpose  Eduardo_z | 10/01/07
MS waiting to copy Firefox 3.0  Randalllind | 10/01/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  shohom67 | 10/01/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  MasterJoe | 10/01/07
Make sense please...  RS9 | 10/01/07
I fully agree  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/01/07
IE 8.0/7.x MathML and SVG  Americus_Null-Dalit | 10/01/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  LCMesquita1403@... | 10/01/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  LCMesquita1403@... | 10/01/07
ReRe:  AmraLeo | 10/02/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  docotis@... | 10/01/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  rcschaff@... | 10/01/07
before working on IE8 i think they need to fix IE7 (NT)  SO.CAL Guy | 10/02/07
Microsoft needs to STAY OUT of browsers  savagesteve13 | 10/02/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  PCTechMan | 10/03/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  tigger71677@... | 10/05/07
RE: Internet Explorer 8.0: The silence is deafening  thesherrya@... | 10/28/07
Versino?  Madsmasher | 11/08/07

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