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November 14th, 2007

Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 9:29 am

Categories: Channel, Corporate strategy, OEMs, Resellers, System builders, Vista, Windows 7, Windows client

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp., Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Operating Systems, Software, Mary Jo Foley

Microsoft learned some hard lessons with Windows Vista that it already is applying to Windows 7.

Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7First and foremost: Keep Windows architectural changes to a minimum. And secondly, be more predictable (and believable) when it comes to delivery targets.

That’s according to Mike Nash, Corporate Vice President of Windows Product Management, who is chatting this week with press and bloggers about the state of Vista, just about a year after the company released the product to manufacturing.

Nash isn’t apologizing for Microsoft’s decision to introduce User Account Control prompts, default to standard-user mode (instead of administrator) or move the graphics subsystem out of the kernel space — all choices the company made in developing Vista. Nor does he think it was a mistake for Microsoft to delay the final RTM of Vista, resulting in the company missing last year’s lucrative holiday retail season.

Nash said Microsoft had to make the under-the-cover changes it did, for security and performance reasons, to Windows Vista.

“I don’t regret that we made a lot of changes to Vista,” Nash said in an interview on November 14. “But I don’t anticipate that level of architectural change in Windows 7.”

Microsoft hasn’t said explicitly what it plans to do to minimize disruptions from any internal changes it does make with Windows 7. But it has dropped some hints.

If the company does build Windows 7 on top of MinWin — the stripped-down Windows core — as it sounds as if it is planning to do, that will help reduce some problems Microsoft and its partners have encountered, in terms of Windows dependencies. There’s been talk Microsoft plans to include a hypervisor as part of Windows 7, enabling users to run applications virtually to prevent incompatibilities. And there’s always the mysterious “StrongBox” feature that allegedly is part of Windows 7. Perhaps StrongBox provides some kind of isolation from lower-level Windows changes?

In terms of delivery schedules, Microsoft has made a conscious move from being transparent to “translucent” with its future Windows release plans — including its plans for service packs. It also has appointed as head of Windows engineering a guy who knows how to make the trains run on time.

Microsoft’s main message in its communications with press and bloggers this week is that they should take another look at Vista. The Softies acknowledge now that the product got off to a rough start, in terms of missing drivers, application compatibility and overall performance and reliability. But as a result of numerous Vista updates pushed out over Windows Update, as well as changes that ISVs and hardware makers have made to their products, Vista is now running a lot more smoothly and reliably than it did a year ago, Nash said.

“A lot of the first imressions that enterprise users were having with Vista were at home,” Nash said. Initially, those experiences may not have been as solid as Microsoft and its users were hoping. “But now that experience is changing,” Nash said.

Vista is past the initial pain-point phase and deserves a reevaluation — even before Microsoft ships Service Pack 1 in the first quarter of 2008, Nash said.

Any Vista naysayers taken a recent look at the product? If Microsoft had released Vista as it runs today a year ago, would your opinion of the operating system be different?

 (7. Image by Claudecf. CC 2.0)

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Microsoft won't repeat mistakes  fr0thy | 11/21/07
Legacy is killing them  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/07
Vista DOES NOT run DOS apps ....  kd5auq | 11/14/07
Vista DOES NOT run DOS apps ....  hinshelm | 11/14/07
Why?  Cardinal_Bill | 11/14/07
Why?  Spacecase | 11/16/07
Agree completely  thx-1138_@... | 11/15/07
Try Exceed -  Spacecase | 11/16/07
Easy to say...but  dmalcolm@... | 11/15/07
A question then.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/15/07
A fair question  dmalcolm@... | 11/16/07
Need to get the work done!  calsoft | 11/15/07
I disagree.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/15/07
They need to set a rule  Michael Kelly | 11/14/07
Legacy Suppport . . .  JLHenry | 11/14/07
Not that one!  pgf_666@... | 11/14/07
I'm betting  Michael Kelly | 11/14/07
Making It Fresh & Right From Jump Street  michaelleo@... | 11/15/07
So why upgrade?  notsofast | 11/15/07
If it ain't broken, don't fix it - or replace it  john.foggitt@... | 11/21/07
Command & Conquer  Dr. John | 11/14/07
CnC since you mentioned it  tonyman262 | 11/15/07
See "I Disagree" below...  NJDevils1087 | 11/14/07
The key word in your reply below  Michael Kelly | 11/14/07
It's a feature.  nizuse | 11/14/07
Dang -- we agree  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/14/07
Every once in a while, Axey pegs it . . . wink (nt)  JLHenry | 11/14/07
Legacy is the only thing keeping them alive  critic-at-arms | 11/14/07
I will agree with you on this  frgough | 11/14/07
HA!  thx-1138_@... | 11/15/07
cross licensed  rtk | 11/15/07
Wouldn't hurt to run DOS in a VM...  John L. Ries | 11/15/07
If it wasn't for backward compatibility...  Resuna | 11/15/07
On the Contrary, It's What keeps Microsoft Alive  Saugus | 11/17/07
Lose The Flash, The Glitz  itanalyst | 11/14/07
What flash? What glitz? happy  ye | 11/14/07
I agree....  BitTwiddler | 11/14/07
Disagree, W2K was Microsoft's best  wkulecz | 11/14/07
I agree  kcredden2 | 11/14/07
ReactOS is a lost cause  Tiggster | 11/15/07
The best  LadyGray | 12/05/07
Why is it.....  nwoodson@... | 11/14/07
Same reason ...  ShadeTree | 11/14/07
That still doesn't make it right  Michael Kelly | 11/14/07
I'm not buying the delay in Leopard being the result of...  ye | 11/14/07
It's not as simple as hiring more people  Michael Kelly | 11/14/07
MS was pressured . . .  JLHenry | 11/14/07
It's simple  deefburger | 11/14/07
I think you missed out on 102  dealer27 | 11/15/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  mnpundit | 11/14/07
Eh?  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 11/14/07
Why are Ultimate Extra's a Ghost Town?  BitTwiddler | 11/14/07
You think the $100 was just for the Extras?  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 11/14/07
NickH is right.  xuniL_z | 11/14/07
You just couldn't help yourself could you?!?  thx-1138_@... | 11/15/07
NickH Is Wrong  chessmen | 11/14/07
chessmen is wrong  rtk | 11/14/07
rtk is Wrong  chessmen | 11/14/07
He got what was promised to him.  rtk | 11/16/07
Ultimate over charging  ajv123 | 11/18/07
Where's your data?  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 11/15/07
well, if it's any indication  merc2dogs` | 11/15/07
Not believable  Tiggster | 11/15/07
Read and Believe  chessmen | 11/15/07
These aren't common complaints, it's your wish list.  rtk | 11/16/07
Why are latest blogs not on the front page any longer ?  BitTwiddler | 11/14/07
I've been having the same issues lately .  Intellihence | 11/15/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  IAHawkeye | 11/14/07
Clue Bus Coming through  DonBurnett | 04/05/08
Hahahahahaahaha.....  IAHawkeye | 11/14/07
And now that I've got your money:  nizuse | 11/14/07
Maybe 7 version this time  ajv123 | 11/18/07
MS Should Pick a Business  Chad_z | 11/14/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  victorfrazee@... | 11/14/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  saltydognl@... | 11/14/07
Message has been deleted.  itcenter | 11/14/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  Doniteli | 11/14/07
Vista Evaluation 12 months on  cboys@... | 11/14/07
Huh?  rtk | 11/14/07
Vista Evaluation 12 months on  cboys@... | 11/14/07
Vista's biggest mistake is not letting you install XP over it  jim.denny@... | 11/14/07
welcome to laptop hell  ajv123 | 11/18/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  mikeandellen@... | 11/14/07
Take it Back!!!  dealer27 | 11/15/07
Lucky man!  ajv123 | 11/18/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  rmjivaro | 11/14/07
Windows 7? ALREADY???  chas_2 | 11/14/07
Cloged internet  pgf_666@... | 11/14/07
Anything But Vista  chessmen | 11/14/07
News at 11  boed | 11/15/07
unbelievable.  rtk | 11/14/07
Vista :/  Dave32265 | 11/14/07
They need to start on Windows 7  boed | 11/15/07
One thing you should know about Microsoft  ajv123 | 11/18/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  noteapot | 11/14/07
Doubtful. They haven't learned in the past.  TheTinker | 11/14/07
Actions speak louder than words. Nothing has changed.  TechExec2 | 11/14/07
No thanks  hawkeyeaz1 | 11/14/07
The point of MinWin...  NJDevils1087 | 11/14/07
Um, Misconception...  AnthonySPT | 11/16/07
I disagree  NJDevils1087 | 11/14/07
Premise is all wrong  Jeremy W | 11/14/07
Woah, wait a second  John Musbach | 11/14/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  sabiodun@... | 11/15/07
software development lifecycle.  rtk | 11/15/07
You could be missing the point!  GOTBO | 11/15/07
ReactOS ?  dealer27 | 11/15/07
Naysayer to Mary Jo  johnfenjackson@... | 11/15/07
More naysaying  johnfenjackson@... | 11/15/07
Positive suggestions  johnfenjackson@... | 11/15/07
Naysayer to Mary Jo  ajv123 | 11/18/07
MS is not learning - since Bill left they keep producing crap  boed | 11/15/07
Sounds like  rtk | 11/15/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  WorkForFood2 | 11/15/07
I'll tell you  boed | 11/15/07
why so many different versions?  Randalllind | 11/15/07
Suggestion for developing Windows 7  boed | 11/15/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  jasonh1234 | 11/15/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  lektrikpuke@... | 11/15/07
Windows 7 is not a new OS but it's Vista SP2  qmlscycrajg | 11/15/07
Yup..  Dave32265 | 11/15/07
Exactly,  notsofast | 11/15/07
Same mistakes as Win Me repeated in Vista.  Too Old For IT | 11/15/07
Total FUD from MS  wellsoul2@... | 11/15/07
Mary Jo, the demostrated WIndows 7 kernel is NOT DIFFERENT, go watch again.  AnthonySPT | 11/16/07
Mary Jo, does not know the difference ....  ajv123 | 11/18/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  pedrolira@... | 11/16/07
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  emadera52 | 11/16/07
An other issue overlooked by the PC Press  ajv123 | 11/18/07
VISTA IS SLOW  boed | 11/17/07
Vista IS slow  ajv123 | 11/18/07
The best mistake that Microsoft could NOT make  Ole Man | 11/20/07
actually..  evilkillerwhale@... | 11/24/07
actually..  evilkillerwhale@... | 11/24/07
More about strongbox  lawrencejob@... | 01/31/08
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  DonBurnett | 04/05/08
You don't get a second chance to make a first impression  SteveMak | 04/09/08
Says who?  lyndona | 07/24/09
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  8pla.net | 10/14/08
RE: Vista mistakes Microsoft won't repeat with Windows 7  lyndona | 07/24/09

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