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October 31st, 2007

Will GNOME split give Microsoft Open XML standards win?

Posted by Dana Blankenhorn @ 6:43 am

Categories: Applications, Development, General, Implementations, Infrastructure, Microsoft, Standards, politics

Tags: Gnome Foundation, Microsoft Office, GNOME, XML, ISO, Microsoft Corp., OpenDocument Format, Standards, OpenDocument Format (ODF), Emerging Technologies

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NoOXML Cartoon from nooxml.comMicrosoft’s efforts to overturn a vote earlier this year denying its Open XML “fast track” standards certification seem to be getting a boost from the GNOME Foundation.

GNOME Foundation founder Miguel deIcaza is a Novell employee, and his actions have been closely scrutinized since Microsoft signed its controversial “patent licensing” deal with the company a year ago.

OpenXML, also called OOXML, was denied “fast track” International Standards Organization (ISO) approval in September, but a final vote on making it a standard will take place in February, and Microsoft is anxious to get the earlier decision reversed.

To that end Microsoft is working with the ECMA TC 45 group to answer detailed questions which accompanied the negative ballots in September, in hopes of changing hearts and minds by February. GNOME’s participation in that group is upsetting Open Document Format (ODF) advocates.

ODF is the format used by Open Office.

Opponents of making the Microsoft Word format an ISO document standard, like OpenDocument Fellowship member Russell Ossendryver, compare GNOME’s actions to Democrats offering counters to President Bush’s 2005 plan on privatizing Social Security — any counter-proposal makes it more likely something bad will happen.

Dave Neary, a member of the GNOME Foundation and community manager for OpenWengo, says it’s all safe as milk. Quoting Jody Goldberg, who calls supporting ODF “significantly more difficult” than supporting OOXML, he suggests ODF will never be the “one true format” without destroying its utility.

In arguing for Open XML on his blog yesterday, Jason Matusow of Microsoft insists no one’s hands are clean, that any decision gives proprietary advantage to someone, and the place to fight all this out is the marketplace, not a standards-setting process.

The issue is vital for this reason. Microsoft Office has a dominant market share. Microsoft Office is proprietary. Microsoft’s XML formatting was changed just before Office 2007’s final release, destroying interoperabiity with ODF until fixes could be found.

Once a proprietary standard is approved by the ISO, and made a standard, its eventual replacement by a truly open standard like ODF becomes impossible. At best the two stand side-by-side, and Microsoft’s market dominance is baked into the market.

That’s why, despite the fact OOXML or OpenXML may be a better format today, groups like NOOOXML are fighting so hard against ISO approval. (The cartoon is from the NOOOXML site.)

Once a proprietary format becomes a standard, the era of truly open standards is over, and the way becomes clear to making anything proprietary.

Dana BlankenhornDana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for 30 years, a tech freelancer since 1983. You can follow Dana on Twitter. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Well, at least I sure hope not. OOXML appears to have some proprietary bits in it relating to various Microsoft products and this renders it not completely usable across all word processors. I'd much rather have ODF then OOXML.

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Silly waste of time. Microsoft Office  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Is time really on Microsoft's side?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 10/31/07
I believe it is on their side.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Also...  Anton Philidor | 10/31/07
True, ODF just isn't there yet.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
So So Shiny  DannyO_0x98 | 11/04/07
Message has been deleted.  Linux User 147560 | 10/31/07
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
MS Office "de facto standard" for what?  Fred Fredrickson | 10/31/07
Man are you waaaaay behind...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
Since when does a half hearted pretence actually count?  odubtaig | 11/01/07
Which part of 'open' are you not getting?  odubtaig | 11/01/07
we stand with NOOOXML  Linux Geek | 10/31/07
The problem  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 10/31/07
The problem is in how the standard gets made  CxO_trainee | 11/01/07
ODF lacks too many things.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Hmmm....  ego.sum.stig@... | 10/31/07
Huh?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
You do understand what standards are don't you?  ego.sum.stig@... | 10/31/07
Yes I do, standards hold back innovation and require  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
I guess that explains away...  ego.sum.stig@... | 10/31/07
RE: I guess that explains away...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Try again?  ego.sum.stig@... | 10/31/07
No need, you have been bested.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
The Big Lie  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/31/07
yes you are lying, I have shown you  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
One little problem  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/31/07
Indeed a nice try...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
My you are desperate, aren't you?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/31/07
One more time...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
Can you say HYPOCRITE?  Ole Man | 11/01/07
OOOOOOppps! Posted in the wrong place  Ole Man | 11/01/07
"Open" standards = Boat Anchor  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Have Internet standards moved from 1994?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 10/31/07
Sure they have, very, very slowly...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Also consider, Browsers and technology are side stepping the standards.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
I don't deny improvement  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 10/31/07
Whoa up, NO ONE is forcing anyone to do anything.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Youve got to be kidding!  Johnny Vegas | 10/31/07
Excellent post!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
A joke?  ego.sum.stig@... | 10/31/07
Ah, you menan like those making open source browsers...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
No  ego.sum.stig@... | 10/31/07
Buwahahaha, screw trhe "standard" and be first to market.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
No M$ = Boat Anchor  DarthRidiculous | 10/31/07
I am sorry you work for such a broke company.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Dear Shill  DarthRidiculous | 10/31/07
When you have lost the debate, call names.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Mirrors, again  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/31/07
I wish you actually had something to contribute  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Wrong, it's a question of what should and should not be standardized  CxO_trainee | 11/01/07
Dude  seanferd | 11/13/07
Microsoft's Recent Actions Continue to Justify GPL v3  BanjoPaterson | 10/31/07
The popularity of GPLv3  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 10/31/07
Popular with whom?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Message has been deleted.  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/31/07
The EU Wants Microsoft's Software Patents?  BanjoPaterson | 10/31/07
Sorry, you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
You know that's a lie as I have demonstrated before:  odubtaig | 11/01/07
Don't bother trying to reason with No_Axe  Filker0_z | 11/21/07
Yes, vutting off your nose to spite your face will teach them.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
I think you need to trade that "v" for a "c"  ego.sum.stig@... | 10/31/07
Yup, a typo. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
give Microsoft Open XML standards win?  Ole Man | 10/31/07
Ummm, you just described  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Seriously  Ole Man | 10/31/07
Huh? Do you work for a non-profit?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Well, do you work for a non-profit?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Poor No_Facts_In_Mind  Ole Man | 10/31/07
Nice dodge, but you FAILED completely.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
Can you say HYPOCRITE?  Ole Man | 11/01/07
What is with open source folks and their inability  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
You know...  ego.sum.stig@... | 10/31/07
He hasn't lost the argument  Joeman57 | 10/31/07
Oh?  ego.sum.stig@... | 10/31/07
Actually, the only standard for the internet  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
I know no such thing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
A Microsoft dictionary  Ole Man | 10/31/07
Another useless and BORING rant from someone  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
Matthew 7:3  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/01/07
Good grief, read the article.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
In case you blinked as you drove by...  ego.sum.stig@... | 10/31/07
Read it again.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
Why Open Source is so in love with standards.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/31/07
It is difficult if not impossible  Ole Man | 10/31/07
Ah, you have nothing to say so you run off at the mouth  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
Running off at the mouth  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/01/07
The master of chicanery  Ole Man | 11/01/07
Calm down, please!  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 10/31/07
Sorry Dana  Ole Man | 10/31/07
There never were any lies,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
I agree Dana.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
I understand  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 11/01/07
Oh, oh.  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/01/07
fair slice of pie  vi0l3t1975@... | 10/31/07
Fair are you taking the piss?  mrjonno | 11/01/07
Gasp, you mean compete?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
No, you described generic everything  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
ISO standard could be good  colinmeister | 11/01/07
Cracked??? They are published for all to see.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/01/07
Some are more equal than others  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/01/07
Safe As Milk?  Albee_Freeoneday | 11/01/07
use the link  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 11/01/07
44/92 posts are No_Ax, bee in his bonnet?  odubtaig | 11/01/07
In a nutshell  Ole Man | 11/01/07
irrelevant  needs_to_read_docs | 11/04/07
No  John Musbach | 11/28/07

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