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March 21st, 2008

Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its update site

Posted by Paula Rooney @ 5:09 pm

Categories: Apple, Applications, FOSS, GPL, Google, Linux Desktop OS, Standards

Tags: Apple Safari, Window, Blog, Apple Inc., Web Browser, Mozilla Corp., Apple iTunes, CEO, Microsoft Windows, Web Browsers

Mozilla’s CEO blasted Apple for distributing its Safari browser via the Apple Software Update service on Windows that is used by millions of iTunes users.

In a blog posted today, John Lilly, the chief executive of Mozilla, claimed the distribution practice is unethical because it allegedly tricks users into downloading not only their regular iTunes and Quicktime updates but also a brand new web browser — without the user’s consent.

As shown in the blog, the dialog box asks users to check off the software they want installed — two boxes, one showing iTunes and QuickTime together, and the other displaying Safari, and at the bottom an option of installing the two items or quitting. The two boxes — including Safari, the Windows version of the default browser in Apple’s MacOSX — are checked by default when the dialog box pops up.

“What Apple is doing now with their Apple Software Update on Windows is wrong. It undermines the trust relationship great companies have with their customers, and that’s bad — not just for Apple, but for the security of the whole Web,” claimed the CEO, whose company’s open source Firefox browser is No. 2 on Windows. “As a software maker we promise to do our very best to keep users safe and will provide the quickest updates possible, with absolutely no other agenda …. Apple has made it incredibly easy — the default, even — for users to install ride along software (Safari) that they didn’t ask for, and maybe didn’t want. This is wrong, and borders on malware distribution practices.”

Some agreed strongly with Lilly’s contention, some disagreed vehemently. The blog has caused a bit of a controversy.

“If Microsoft did the identical action, install some non-user-selected software using their software update channel, there would be cacophony across the Internet,” wrote one sympathetic reader.

Others read the blog as a defensive response to Apple’s Safari 3.1 for Windows, which was released on Apple’s update site for Windows yesterday.

“Wow. You Windows users are not only paranoid, but so anti-Apple that your comments are hysterical,” chimed one respondent.

“Much to do about nothing! The problem here is clear: Mozilla’s CEO is intimidated by the competition,” added yet another writer.

Lilly claimed in his blog that his statements are not a criticism of Safari as a web browser and that he had no problem with a company using its installed software as a channel for other software. His concern is that many end users may not realize that they are downloading an entirely new web browser with their regular iTunes updates.

Still others say Lilly doesn’t give end users enough credit.

“This is the biggest non-isue yet - and anyone using a computer that can’t use that screen and make a good decision should go back to a typewriter,” another blogger said.

Paula RooneyPaula Rooney is a Boston-based writer who has followed the tech industry for almost two decades. See her full profile and disclosure of her industry affiliations.

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RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its
Apple is just Microsoft in another form: a company that would like to force us to use only its products.... (Read the rest)
Posted by: geneven Posted on: 04/17/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Wow!  Dolphins6872 | 03/21/08
They don't use Safari,  People | 03/21/08
Oh is Safari the only browser that has spell checking?  tikigawd | 03/24/08
Spell check  People | 03/24/08
Yes, thank you, I already knew  tikigawd | 03/24/08
When Safari failed on attaching...  bjbrock | 03/25/08
This shows you how unprofessional...  bjbrock | 03/22/08
ZDNet lumps blogs with news  eb276 | 03/24/08
Indeed  tikigawd | 03/24/08
Understand the source  philpenn | 03/25/08
Ironic that FF would have caught that  ejhonda | 03/23/08
Brilliant Appleites....  MGP2 | 03/21/08
No grammar check on Safari  tikigawd | 03/24/08
Awwww  People | 03/24/08
 tikigawd | 03/24/08
Fanboys never joke  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/25/08
@b8375629: Evidently!  tikigawd | 03/26/08
No doubt  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/26/08
Typical Apple style  5ri | 03/21/08
Hate to say it...  CowLauncher | 03/21/08
It's called choice!  Gerry_z | 03/22/08
Not offering, pushing  tikigawd | 03/24/08
Actually,  msalzberg | 03/24/08
Vista? Who talked about Vista?  tikigawd | 03/24/08
Lie  People | 03/24/08
Mr Peoples: New installs = New Software  tikigawd | 03/24/08
Re: Actually  philpenn | 03/25/08
mmmm no msalzberg you have to turn updates on in windows  SO.CAL Guy | 03/25/08
RE: Actually  JakAttak | 03/25/08
Difference in User Base  fde101 | 03/25/08
topical mac cultist windows users are stupid.  SO.CAL Guy | 03/25/08
Magna Cum Laude at AppleU  tikigawd | 03/25/08
Stupid?  mdsock@... | 03/25/08
I agree, sort of.  philpenn | 03/25/08
Agreed...  jgsilva@... | 03/30/08
You know what...  CowLauncher | 03/21/08
Double Standard  jayrleblanc | 03/21/08
RE: Double Standard  JakAttak | 03/25/08
Had enough of Mozilla  croberts | 03/21/08
Had enough of Apple  T1Oracle | 03/21/08
Try this shoe  Gerry_z | 03/22/08
Missing the point  tikigawd | 03/24/08
Deceive, read, act, lie  People | 03/24/08
Uh, ok, Mr Webster  tikigawd | 03/24/08
You seriously need it explained to you?  People | 03/24/08
you misread the problem  Mitch 74 | 03/24/08
Forced?  People | 03/24/08
I call 'forcing'...  Mitch 74 | 03/25/08
You do not have a clue!  philpenn | 03/25/08
Had enough opt-out instead of opt-in  mdsock@... | 03/25/08
what are you going to do?...Sue Apple  American Hawk | 03/21/08
Now That's an Idea!!!!  hanamc@... | 03/25/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its  Eliakim48 | 03/21/08
I wonder.  People | 03/21/08
Re: I Wonder  kolvas | 03/22/08
Are you serious?  People | 03/24/08
Bad Apple  Len Rooney | 03/21/08
Leverage against a majority share  MisterMiester | 03/21/08
This is not at all the same.  People | 03/22/08
Say What?  Gerry_z | 03/22/08
You should think more too. (nt)  People | 03/23/08
Compelling argument  tikigawd | 03/24/08
I'd rather one think clearly,  People | 03/24/08
Thanks for giving me permission to think  tikigawd | 03/24/08
It's exactly the same  eb276 | 03/24/08
"Thanks for playing."  People | 03/24/08
It's your move  eb276 | 03/24/08
You should write less  philpenn | 03/25/08
Please explain  Len Rooney | 03/25/08
They're getting there  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 03/26/08
RE: 90%  JakAttak | 03/25/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its  Zoraster | 03/22/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its  laird@... | 03/22/08
Cooler than that?  Gerry_z | 03/22/08
So what is Apple's response  Boot_Agnostic | 03/22/08
Why is this different then MS bundling IE?  LittleGuy | 03/22/08
It's not.  Gerry_z | 03/22/08
With Microsoft at least  nilotpal_c | 03/22/08
Good hardware...  tikigawd | 03/24/08
So your implication  People | 03/24/08
Learn to read  philpenn | 03/25/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its iTunes update site  daveco123@... | 03/22/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its  interested bystander | 03/22/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its iTunes update site  WillieBillFord@... | 03/23/08
Yes....  Mike (not Cox) | 03/23/08
Somehow...  msalzberg | 03/23/08
Bravo Apple  tikigawd | 03/24/08
Uninstall?  zenwalker | 03/25/08
RE: Safari fast, Firefox Slow as a pig  gingoro | 03/23/08
The real pig wink...  Sysadm1n | 03/25/08
Firefox still fastest.  tuna22 | 03/23/08
We all know the REAL reason he's upset...  ejhonda | 03/23/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its  chips@... | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its iTunes update site  spindruiz@... | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its  Deanbar | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its  edguerena@... | 03/24/08
While I didn't feel any of THOSE things, I AM a bit annoyed  drprod@... | 03/24/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its iTunes update site  voalse555 | 03/24/08
Safari failed to attach files...  bjbrock | 03/25/08
What's the difference? Look at the Google pushers..  JCitizen | 03/25/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its iTunes update site  oncall | 03/25/08
The users should know comment...  winddrift03 | 03/25/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its iTunes update site  rolnmrbl@... | 03/25/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its iTunes update site  rickhal | 03/25/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its iTunes update site  Nick.Danger | 03/25/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its  vendors.mail@... | 03/25/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its  JakAttak | 03/25/08
iPhone  Len Rooney | 03/26/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its  TechTeach_z | 03/25/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its iTunes update site  PeterPac | 03/25/08
Problems with Safari  gciuba@... | 03/28/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its iTunes update site  dejannenov | 04/04/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its iTunes update site  bob@... | 04/11/08
RE: Mozilla CEO blasts Apple for distributing Safari 3.1 for Window on its  geneven | 04/17/08

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