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March 31st, 2009

Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT

Posted by Paula Rooney @ 10:43 am

Categories: General

Tags: Microsoft Corp., Linux Foundation, FAT, Linux, UNIX, Operating Systems, Open Source, Software, Paula Rooney

The Linux Foundation is ready and willing to help companies get Microsoft’s FAT out of their products.

In his blog posted today about TomTom’s settlement with Microsoft that was announced yesterday, foundation executive director Jim Zemlin said the case only proves that Microsoft was taking aim against Linux when it filed its lawsuit against TomTom last month and that it only undermines Microsoft’s efforts to keep its technology relevant.

Zemlin fired away on several fronts, attacking Microsoft’s purported efforts to be a more open company and its ongoing campaign against Linux.

In the last several days Microsoft has shown that despite claims of acquiring a newly found respect for open principles and technology, developers should be cautious in believing promises made by this “new” Microsoft. When it counts, it appears that Microsoft still actively seeks to undermine those technologies or standards that are truly open, especially when those technologies pose a significant threat to their business.

Yesterday, Microsoft announced with a formal press release a settlement of a nuisance patent case filed against a smaller company. Despite Microsoft’s protestations to the contrary, the press release makes it clear that the motivation behind this case was the fear, uncertainty and doubt Microsoft hoped the suit would create around the use of Linux. Linux is, not coincidentally, one of Microsoft’s strongest threats in the server, embedded and desktop computing arenas as evidenced in recent remarks make by its CEO Steve Ballmer.

The case proves only that the patent system — and the modern operating system — both need reform, Zemlin said.

In his words:
First, the software patent system in the US needs reform. The need for reform stems from why common functionality like this (which is neither innovative nor novel) was granted a patent in the first place.

Second, it proves that, even apart from this larger issue, this case is a non-event. The technology at the heart of this settlement is the FAT filesystem. As acknowledged by Microsoft in the press release, this file system is easily replaced with multiple technology alternatives. The Linux Foundation is here to assist interested parties in the technical coordination of removing the FAT filesystem from products that make use of it today.

There is one other fact clear from this case. Microsoft does not appear to be a leopard capable of changing its spots. Maybe it’s time developers go on a diet from Microsoft and get the FAT out of their products.

Zemlin also contends that the quick settlement demonstrates the power of the open source community and the inability of Microsoft to create a protracted legal drama like ones in the past that threatened adoption of Linux.

There is another silver lining here. We read the outcome of this case as a testament to the power of a concerted and well-coordinated effort by the Linux industry and organizations such as the Open Invention Network, the SFLC and the Linux Foundation. This was not merely a typical David vs. Goliath story. This time David aligned itself with the multiple slingshots of the Linux community. Microsoft relented as soon as TomTom showed they were aligned with that community and ready to fight. The system is working.

Paula RooneyPaula Rooney is a Boston-based writer who has followed the tech industry for almost two decades. See her full profile and disclosure of her industry affiliations.

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RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT
all i can say is: I do control systems for robotics, tried windows... too unstavble, no i am on Ubuntu... way better... i dont care about who claimed what, i want the job done...Linux seems to do it, but then again if you want to use a pc for playing...stick to windows... (Read the rest)
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Good..  TedKraan | 03/31/09
Replace FAT with LEAN  Roger Ramjet | 04/01/09
Thats sad....  daMan25 | 04/01/09
FLOSS is freedom of choice  rarsa | 04/01/09
Great Spin!  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
From the word on the street, it sounds like MS settled for close to zero to  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Quite right  Lerianis | 03/31/09
Once again ....  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
Once again, why does it bother you so. Is your only argument that hope  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
What bothers me is your ....  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
YOU were arguing that MS won without knowing the amount of the payment.  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Good Point  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
Sigh. That's *trademark*  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Show me one legitimate source ....  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
Is that your ONLY argument?? That hope against hope the rumers are wrong  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
We want facts not your borderline-religious opinion  TylerM89 | 03/31/09
Ok, YOU tell us how much it was, or, YOU can not claim this is a victory  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
It doesn't count  wolf_z | 04/01/09
The problem with rumors...  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
MS was asking for 1/4 million  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Pffttt... THe world series was only won by one point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/31/09
This is not exactly like the World Series here, the "loser" if you like,  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
A loser is a loser, say anything you like, it doesn't change it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
M$ got no glory and no lunch. They just got shame and 0$.  InAction Man | 03/31/09
$0 is what TomTom got PLUS they allow MS to use for free their patents  markbn | 03/31/09
Nope, I'm not with Tomtom, I'm with the consumer. We WON!  InAction Man | 03/31/09
1/4 millions is nothing?  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
"The word on the street"  LiquidLearner | 03/31/09
Of course that "word"  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Obvious fear at the Linux Foundation  GuidingLight | 03/31/09
No fear, just organizing to counter the threat. The one running away with  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Leave it to DB to pull the best No Axe ...  Confused by religion | 03/31/09
But, since the settlement was for about zero dollars, it was basically MS  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
You have no idea what the settlement was.  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
Well, it IS true that MS would like us to believe that TomTom paid millions  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
M$ got not glory and no lunch in this deal.  InAction Man | 03/31/09
And it is YOU who would like everyone to believe they were paid $0  TylerM89 | 03/31/09
@TylerM89: You claim and claim the amount was very significant...  InAction Man | 03/31/09
@InAction Man: Excellent comeback...  TylerM89 | 03/31/09
Not "very cleaver" (your words) That's not a source, it's the M$ website!!!  InAction Man | 03/31/09
@InActionman oops yyou blundered...  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
You're saying there was a token payment  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Are you really that dense...  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
It bothers you that "Linux" caved  GuidingLight | 03/31/09
Actually, nobody caved. This will blow up in Microsoft's face, as it has  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
You have no idea what the settlement was.  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
You really do wish that TomTom had paid millions, otherwise, it shatters  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Donnieboy, TomTom *LOST*  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Shade...it's only a lie if you can prove otherwise.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
Buwahahahaha, yeah, your a sore loser. Oh well  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/31/09
Well, if this is how you "lose", TomTom could not be happier. Throw a  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
A few more 'wins' like this one and soon M$ will be history.  InAction Man | 03/31/09
Listen Idiot  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
Self-delusion is indeed a powerful therapy  InAction Man | 03/31/09
There you go, folks...  MGP2 | 04/01/09
That "proff" (your word) is no proof at all  InAction Man | 03/31/09
I don't even use Linux. Too difficult. I use Mac OS X. But...  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
RE: I don't even use Linux. Too difficult. I use Mac OS X. But...  Col Mustard | 04/01/09
The problem being, that it is important to be able to read USB sticks, or  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Not really  TedKraan | 03/31/09
Asking customers to reformat their USB sticks is NOT an option. It would be  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
USB royalties?  wkulecz | 03/31/09
Yes, many camera companies have paid MS. They probably negociated somthing  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Exactly  TedKraan | 03/31/09
Spot on  Richard Flude | 03/31/09
There is also UDF / ISO9660 - used on DVDs and CD-ROMs  Zogg | 04/01/09
UMSDOS or UVFAT  kyron.gustafson@... | 04/01/09
Linux won the first legal battle against M$  Linux Geek | 03/31/09
Code is Poetry vs. Good Enough  sporkfighter | 04/06/09
There's plenty of good filesystems out there... that's not the problem.  Michael Kelly | 03/31/09
Yes, very well put. It must be a file system that Windows computers  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
"KEEP THE CONSUMER DOWN"  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Could have not said it better myself!!!  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Lest just make sure that MS will pay for that  Quebec-french | 03/31/09
And all that would do is force those three  GuidingLight | 03/31/09
"could not interact with anyone else's computer?"  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Amerlioration - MS and Novell has been working on PROFIT (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
RE: MS and Novell has been working on PROFIT (NT)  Col Mustard | 04/01/09
no not that way .....  Quebec-french | 03/31/09
Agreed.  Amelioration | 03/31/09
that would only happen  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
Encumbered technology needs to go ...  MisterMiester | 03/31/09
Agreed, and we've been warning them for years.  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Maybe if Linux users  LiquidLearner | 03/31/09
Huh?  Necrolin | 04/01/09
Whooshhh!  sporkfighter | 04/06/09
Isn't FAT part of DOS that Gates stole from a simple programmer  LittleGuy | 03/31/09
I think the only patents are for the long file name extentions. So, TomTom  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
You have got to be kidding me  LittleGuy | 03/31/09
They have worst patents out there  TedKraan | 03/31/09
stole? They paid $50k for Dos  Randalllind | 04/01/09
And how much did MS make off it? Stole!  LittleGuy | 04/01/09
By your definition.....  Erroneous | 04/01/09
You really are clueless aren't you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
I don't think he Bill Gates stole anything!  marcfinnwilson@... | 04/01/09
Waaaaa, we're taking our ball and going home.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/31/09
Actually, it sounds like TomTom will just have to take out the long file  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Uhhh...I think it will mean Microsoft can't get ROYALTIES!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
No royalties, but another whallop on innovation  sir4taye@... | 04/01/09
Why isn't the foundation suing Tom Tom?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/31/09
All in goood time my friend. They will take it one step at a time, and one  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Give a time frame loser  markbn | 03/31/09
Patience my friend. These things do not follow YOUR schedule, nor mine.  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
On what grounds should the MS FAT patents be invalidated?  LiquidLearner | 03/31/09
Nice DODGE, why aren't they suing Tom Tom???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
Why should they  say_what | 03/31/09
Actually, no  wolf_z | 04/01/09
I disagree - this case never reached a court room.  Zogg | 04/01/09
MS can charge a penalty...  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Sorry but your pulling it out of your backside.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
MS couldn't and didn't...  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Maybe I missed something...  storm14k | 03/31/09
No_Ax..I don't even USE Linux and even I know the answer to your PRO MS ?  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
*TomTom* is safe  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Where you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
MS is no longer pursuing those claims.  Zogg | 04/01/09
Actually...  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
The experts say that TomTom has not violated the GPL  Zogg | 04/01/09
Here's another link confirming the "No GPL infringement"  Zogg | 04/01/09
Sorry, you don't know anything...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
Not according to the Microsoft settlement.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 04/06/09
The Linux Foundation doesn't own the copyright to the Linux kernel, silly!  Zogg | 04/01/09
Hey, let's not forget Europe. Their next investigation will likely center  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Interoperability is easy...  Confused by religion | 03/31/09
Yes, Microsoft loves that kind of "simplicity"!!  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
I think you mean ...  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Thanks, I meant it in the sense of "unfortunately for Microsoft", but was  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Your argument is flawed  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
Today it's Fat32 LFN. Tomorrow it's ...  MisterMiester | 03/31/09
re: Interoperability is easy...  none none | 03/31/09
Europe will follow Russia and China's examples  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Yep, another problem for MS. The ice under Microsoft's patent offensive is  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
One thing I'm thankful for...  MGP2 | 04/01/09
RE: Europe will follow Russia and China's example  bfilipiak@... | 04/01/09
FAT32 without LFN  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Stupidity at its best....  TheTruthGiver | 03/31/09
You owe me BIG TIME dude.  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Not quite that simple. MS is trying to use this to disadvantage competitors  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
delusional  JoeMama_z | 03/31/09
Monopoly?  Amelioration | 03/31/09
do you have a reading problem?  JoeMama_z | 03/31/09
Microsoft obviolusly has a monopoly, and obviously used it to make Windows  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Obviously you need help staying of topic....  JoeMama_z | 03/31/09
It is the USERS that force TomTom to support FAT, and Indirectly MS, since  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Actually, it's the SD cards that use the FAT system.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
It is end users that are dependent on FAT32, that is the format they  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
aaaand what...  JoeMama_z | 03/31/09
The point is, manufacturers have not choice but to support FAT, otherwise,  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
How does this disadvantage competitor???  CTOSea | 03/31/09
First, you use you monopoly to create a dependency on a gargbage file  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Evasive Answer  CTOSea | 03/31/09
You are beeing very evasive. You refuse to recognize that MS created the  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Which is what they should have done in the first place  MGP2 | 04/01/09
Microsoft created the dependency on FAT?  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 04/18/09
Your premise is false  wolf_z | 04/01/09
I pay for the moral right to use everything. That's why I use Apple.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
Think Different  CrashPad | 04/01/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  Loverock Davidson | 03/31/09
For once we agree  thelivo | 03/31/09
This all had nothing to do with FAT, Linux, or the GPL  Michael Kelly | 03/31/09
All very amusing  Aussie_Troll | 03/31/09
NTFS and FAT have nothing to do with Samba  Michael Kelly | 03/31/09
He knew that already  Kaiwai | 03/31/09
Thanks for the link.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
Scales very well  Kaiwai | 03/31/09
Aussie_Troll...this is MUCH bigger than Linux fanboys! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
Everything is bigger than Linux fanboys or linux  Aussie_Troll | 04/01/09
Such as technical ignorance among MS fanbois  Amelioration | 04/01/09
Why not HFS  Kaiwai | 03/31/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  PottHead | 04/01/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  PottHead | 04/01/09
MS Exerts Rights - Industry Wins  omniprovident@... | 04/01/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  ThereThere | 04/01/09
Microsoft's new "business" tactic: harassment by proxie  walterbyrd@... | 04/01/09
Google, Apple MS  CrashPad | 04/01/09
Donnieboy-RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  e_ecruz | 04/01/09
Here Here  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
Yo, why do you take my posts on Linux suing Tom Tom down?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
FYI: Remeber that I TOLD YOU MS would win.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  Col Mustard | 04/01/09
We need industry consensus for a new filesystem  overnout | 04/01/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  bigpicture | 04/01/09
FAT is dead already  Gradius2 | 04/02/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  BOSS4908 | 04/03/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  jfreedle2@... | 04/13/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  newton3 | 04/26/09

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