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May 18th, 2009

Linux and the channel

Posted by Dana Blankenhorn @ 10:59 am

Categories: General, Hardware, Linux Laptop, Microsoft, business models, mass market, mobile, telecom, wireless

Tags: Linux Laptop, Phone, Microsoft Corp., Laptop Computer, Netbook, Carrier, Linux Pundit Bill Weinberg, Linux, UNIX, Operating Systems

Linux Pundit Bill Weinberg has produced two posts this weekend asking why we don’t have Linux laptops, what I would call Netbooks running Linux.

His answers are conventional. Microsoft price cuts. Ubuntu looked less than impressive. Maybe it will go from the phone up rather than the desk down, he concludes.

The answer, I’ve found, comes down to one of the first terms I learned when I joined the computer press, over 25 years ago.

The channel.

We think of stores as being the home of demand. They are not. They are where demand is satisfied.

The home of demand lies on the other end of the telescope. It lies in the marketing collateral, the co-op dollars, and the mass advertising strategies of manufacturers.

In PC manufacturing there is only one name that counts. Microsoft. Everyone else is an OEM.

Everyone suffers from this.

I tried out some Linux laptops last year and, while there were some glitches they held promise. But when it came time for me to lay down cash, there was no Linux kit on the shelves.

What I learned from a month owning a Microsoft Netbook is that I wish I had a choice. Despite a lack of moving parts, my HP Netbook is a battery hog. I could get 10 hours with a Linux laptop. The same box running Microsoft runs for fewer than three.

There’s more. My Linux laptop booted almost instantly. This Microsoft monster takes two minutes to get there.

Want to talk cost of ownership? You have no choice with Windows but to load the thing up with anti-virals and registry cleaners. They all have to load before you can do any work.

And then there’s the cost of time. They all have to check things out for you. Any nasties out there — any updates? Come back when we’re done, junior — get a cup of coffee or something.

When I get back from China, I’m erasing the 8 GByte stick memory “hard drive” on my HP Netbook and starting over.

All this changes when you move from the phone down. There you find there is a different manufacturer. Your mobile phone carrier. And everyone else is an OEM.

Who do you hate more, Microsoft or the phone company? Because those are your choices. Even Apple must, in some ways, dance to the tune of the carriers. There is no free market for phone tech — just a carrier oligopoly.

In mobile devices carriers control the channel.

We can cry about that if we want, but that’s the reality. And this gives Linux its opportunity. Because carriers don’t want the headaches of Microsoft any more than we do. Since they create the demand, they get to decide.

By handing the design job off to variations on a Linux distro — LiMo, QT, Android — carriers get flexibility with no loss of control. It’s still true that nothing gets on their network without approval, but in their world Microsoft becomes just another OEM, like Apple for AT&T.

So is Bill right? Will the Linux laptop fit within the palm of your hand?

Maybe. But so long as carriers control the channel it won’t be Linux as you know it. It will be Linux as they want it.

Dana BlankenhornDana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for 30 years, a tech freelancer since 1983. You can follow Dana on Twitter. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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RE: Linux and the channel
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Posted by: jashaw314@... Posted on: 06/09/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Um. what?  JT82 | 05/18/09
Well, with most OEMs, you can not get Linux pre-installed, and you void the  DonnieBoy | 05/18/09
re: oem install....  Christian_<>< | 05/18/09
RE: re: oem install  Col Mustard | 05/18/09
Re: Donnie boy  Col Mustard | 05/18/09
What kind of analogy is that?  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
Dell does not sell Linux everywhere  jorjitop | 05/18/09
RE: Dell does not sell Linux everywhere  Col Mustard | 05/18/09
To offer choice  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
You have a choice  EasyDuzit | 05/19/09
But not pre-installed  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
It is pre-installed. At least...  ye | 05/19/09
No, it's not  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: Back to the superfluous criteria again I see.  ye | 05/19/09
And you're still in denial, ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
RE: Linux and the channel  mr1972 | 05/18/09
Why not Wine for ppt?  daboochmeister | 05/22/09
My company standardized on 2007...  mr1972 | 05/26/09
A New Brand of Super-Premium Ice Cream: Tying in the U.S.  no_zd_user_name | 05/18/09
Garbage!  ShadeTree | 05/19/09
That title is a very good auto analysis  InAction Man | 05/19/09
Call  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
Dell.  ye | 05/19/09
That's a 'no citation' for ye. Next?  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
I see your ignorance is breeding desperation.  ye | 05/19/09
Another reader is being intellectually honest. Why not you?  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
@Dietrich T. Schmitz: The problem is they're wrong.  ye | 05/19/09
That's only if you order online  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: Walking into the store is a red herring.  ye | 05/19/09
I want Linux to get a fair shake, ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@anythingbutvista: Thanks separating fact from fiction! wink  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
AnythingButViista: Then by all means do something about it.  ye | 05/19/09
Final Citation Count: 0  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
Final citation count: 3. Total citations ignored: 3 (nt)  ye | 05/19/09
more crap from ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: Yes, it is an answer.  ye | 05/19/09
Next load of crap from ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: Key word: PAST.  ye | 05/19/09
And still further crap from ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: I asked for evidence.  ye | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: Still waiting on that evidence I requested.  ye | 05/20/09
You shills days are coming, ye...  Wintel BSOD | 05/20/09
Micro Center for another.  ye | 05/19/09
That's another 'no citation' for ye. Next?  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
Celeron is a current processor.  ye | 05/19/09
Have you noticed it's placed last, four levels deep into the site hierarchy  InAction Man | 05/19/09
Someone with some objectivity...  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
Why the superfluous requirements?  ye | 05/19/09
@ye: You want people to have a choice , right?  InAction Man | 05/19/09
Because ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
4:00PM EST--Citations given thus far: 0  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: Dell is one of the top PC manufacturers.  ye | 05/19/09
Again Final Citation Count: 0  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
Again: Final citation count: 3. Total citations ignored: 3 (nt)  ye | 05/19/09
And still more crap from ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: And it's still the bulk of their business today.  ye | 05/19/09
ye and still more crap  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: Very good. You get a gold star!  ye | 05/19/09
And more denial crap from ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: No, I have not.  ye | 05/19/09
Yes you have, ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/20/09
Funny! Have you noticed this?  InAction Man | 05/19/09
Maybe because M$ told them to?  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
walmart did offer a retail desktop and laptop in their stores for a  brokndodge@... | 05/19/09
Another 'no citation' for brokndodge. Any other takers step forward!  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
my point was simply that walmart tried it in their birck and morter stores.  brokndodge@... | 05/19/09
He understands your point. He just doesn't want to accept it.  ye | 05/19/09
I appreciate your point but was looking for current examples. Thanks!!  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
@ye - the thing is it does sell, really well  brokndodge@... | 05/19/09
@Dietrich T. Schmitz - sold out doesn't mean not currant (nt)  brokndodge@... | 05/19/09
@brokndodge: Then I propose it wasn't Linux that made the systems...  ye | 05/19/09
@ye - that is exactly what made it attractive. the masses don't even know  brokndodge@... | 05/19/09
@ ye and brokndodge  storm14k | 05/19/09
@storm14k : Apparently they will not.  ye | 05/19/09
--Final Citation Count: 0  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
-- Final citation count: 3. Total citations ignored: 3 (nt)  ye | 05/19/09
@ ye...what returns?  storm14k | 05/19/09
More denial by Dietrich T. Schmitz.  ye | 05/19/09
Let's get some examples Folks! Step up to the mic! 0 Examples so far.  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
@brokndodge: Those links are 'site to store', not 'in-store'  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
"In-store" is a red herring. Created solely so you can pretend...  ye | 05/19/09
This is a call for walk-in store citations ONLY. That was stated up front.  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
@Dietrich T. Schmitz : Which changes nothing. It's still a red herring...  ye | 05/19/09
Tally so far: Zero (0) Citations  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
Tally so far: 3. Total citations ignored: 3 (nt)  ye | 05/19/09
One Thing  NoThomas | 05/19/09
Your points are well taken...I am saying...  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
I seem to be missing your point...  NoThomas | 05/19/09
See this thread...  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
Like ye, NoThomas misses the point  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
NoThomas is correct, we don't call the system you spec'ed out a desktop...  brokndodge@... | 05/19/09
See this thread  no_zd_user_name | 05/20/09
@Dietrich T. Schmitz - what if anything does that post have  brokndodge@... | 05/20/09
@brokndodge: you are off topic see this thread for summary points  no_zd_user_name | 05/21/09
Only Target sells a Linux laptop ...  MisterMiester | 05/19/09
That's as close as anybody has come  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
I think Target stopped selling all computers ...  MisterMiester | 05/19/09
Right you are!  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
***DELETED BY DTS***  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
You got me beat Dietrich!  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 05/19/09
Advertising? According to many the demand is already present.  ye | 05/19/09
If they (M$) stop advertising they'll lose to Linux.  InAction Man | 05/19/09
Bottom line is not Ad $$$, it's 'Tying'--an illegal practice.  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
If you have evidence of tying then I suggest you forward it to the FTC.  ye | 05/19/09
No one wants Linux....  storm14k | 05/19/09
Well, when you only put out five they're bound to sell out.  ye | 05/19/09
Aren't you forgetting something?  InAction Man | 05/19/09
If it were simple...  storm14k | 05/19/09
I never said it would be simple.  ye | 05/19/09
I did not say that you said it would be simple.  storm14k | 05/19/09
@storm14k: Why the need for a store front?  ye | 05/19/09
Well you make it sound so  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: Raising capital for such a sure fire money...  ye | 05/19/09
I have a bridge to sell, ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@ye...you may have an idea...  storm14k | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: Apparently the idea there is significant money...  ye | 05/19/09
@storm14k: Excuses, excuses, excuses. Linux folks are full of them.  ye | 05/19/09
This isn't about us being venture capitalists, ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/20/09
In other words....  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
Precisely.  ye | 05/19/09
No actually...  storm14k | 05/19/09
storm14k, I call it ...  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
Without choice, you can't expect consumer demand  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
There's NO level playing field  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
Naked truth... sad  Solid Water | 05/19/09
BINGO. We have a winner.  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
The problem is you can buy a computer without an OS.  ye | 05/19/09
You gave an example of Celeron (circa 1998 chip) which the 'M' repackaged  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
I gave an example of a CURRENT processor.  ye | 05/19/09
It is NOT cutting edge technology, ye  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
@AnythingButViista: So what?  ye | 05/19/09
Keep lying, ye...  Wintel BSOD | 05/20/09
Oh really???  storm14k | 05/19/09
Micro Center is not a store for techies. I see many, many...  ye | 05/19/09
To wrap things up, Citation Count is: 0  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
To wrap things up: Total citation count: 3. Total citations ignored: 3 (nt)  ye | 05/19/09
Dana Blankenhorn: MIA?  no_zd_user_name | 05/19/09
MS install tax  Christian_<>< | 05/18/09
There is no such tax.  ShadeTree | 05/19/09
Anyone wanting to buy a new machine...  storm14k | 05/19/09
I am with you... wink  Solid Water | 05/19/09
I have done the same...  storm14k | 05/19/09
You should see about getting your money back  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
Stop lying, ShadeTree  Wintel BSOD | 05/19/09
Well you've clearly identified a need not being met by others.  ye | 05/18/09
Here's the attention you don't deserve.  kozmcrae | 05/18/09
How so?  ye | 05/18/09
Have you heard of the AMD antitrust case in the EU?  InAction Man | 05/18/09
I don't know. Why don't you tell me?  ye | 05/18/09
Thanks for your reply.  InAction Man | 05/18/09
You didn't answer the question.  ye | 05/18/09
No ye, you didn't answer the question.  kozmcrae | 05/18/09
@kozmcrae: LOL! How can I answer a question that had not yet been asked?  ye | 05/18/09
Sorry ye.  kozmcrae | 05/18/09
RE: Thanks for your reply.  Col Mustard | 05/18/09
I'm sorry for being too subtle.  InAction Man | 05/19/09
You need to answer this question...  kozmcrae | 05/18/09
The question is irrelevant.  ye | 05/18/09
BZZZZT! Wrong.  kozmcrae | 05/18/09
I gave you the chance to save face. You should have taken it.  ye | 05/18/09
No you didn't!  kozmcrae | 05/18/09
I'm waiting.  kozmcrae | 05/18/09
@kozmcrae: If you can demonstrate relevancy then I'll answe the question.  ye | 05/19/09
You're being too cruel, please reconsider.  InAction Man | 05/19/09
That's typical ye lol...  Wintel BSOD | 05/20/09
RE: You need to answer this question...  Col Mustard | 05/18/09
I've heard flatulence that's more truthful than you're rantings.  kozmcrae | 05/18/09
You don't know what you're talking about!  InAction Man | 05/19/09
Wild, unsubstantiated rubbish  Economister | 05/18/09
Wrong!!! Just look at the auto industry.  InAction Man | 05/19/09
well, you do have to turn a few services off and turn speed stepping on  brokndodge@... | 05/19/09
10 hours, sleeping or hibernating - sure  Economister | 05/19/09
RE: Linux and the channel  Gladiatorcn | 05/18/09
They are both for the same market.  kozmcrae | 05/18/09
RE: We are watching your desktop dominance erode  Col Mustard | 05/18/09
Just like a Microsoft lap dog.  kozmcrae | 05/18/09
Windoze offered me the worse computing experiences I ever had!!!  InAction Man | 05/19/09
Why were you compiling software?  storm14k | 05/19/09
More Rubbish  Col Mustard | 05/18/09
To his credit he did reference Linux and not Open Solaris.  ye | 05/19/09
His Claims are good! Have you considered what V*sta does to a netbook?  InAction Man | 05/19/09
Did you pick a desktop/laptop optimized Solaris distro?  InAction Man | 05/19/09
RE: Linux and the channel  jdbukis@... | 05/19/09
The only power setting that works well in widoze is  InAction Man | 05/19/09
RE: Linux and the channel  bobfastner | 05/19/09
Exactly!  ye | 05/19/09
The problem is...  storm14k | 05/19/09
Then put it in front of the people!  ye | 05/19/09
Actually....  storm14k | 05/19/09
What actual numbers?  ITLeader | 05/19/09
It comes from the netbook manufacturers...  storm14k | 05/19/09
So stop talking and do it. Prove me wrong.  ye | 05/19/09
Here is YOUR claim  storm14k | 05/19/09
@storm14k: Oh but I have.  ye | 05/19/09
Someone has clearly learned from Intel  Alan Smithie | 05/19/09
I'm not so sure who learned what from who.  InAction Man | 05/19/09
Linux uses less power?  dougrc68 | 05/19/09
RE: Linux and the channel  jashaw314@... | 06/09/09

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