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July 1st, 2009

PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!

Posted by Jason Perlow @ 11:09 am

Categories: Desktop, Microsoft, Personal Technology, Software Infrastructure

Tags: Costco, PC, Microsoft Windows Vista, Laptop Computer, Notebooks, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Processors, Hardware, Notebooks & Tablets, Operating Systems

Buying a new PC from one of the Tier 1 OEMs can often be a frustrating exercise in crapware removal.

My Tuesday morning started like this. Phone rings. 9AM.

Hey Jason, uh, it’s Christine. Javi just booted up the laptop at the store this morning and nothing is working. Can you stop on by?

Me: Sure!

I knew, of course, that this probably involved my entire day being completely shot to hell.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

I arrive at Christine’s business, Picnic Caterers, to find the company’s laptop, a 2002-era Toshiba Pentium 4 with 512MB of RAM and Windows XP, so stuffed up with spyware, viruses and fragmented up the whazoo that it wasn’t worth saving.

In addition to general Internet access, the computer was used primarily for QuickBooks for Invoicing and for posting the company’s Daily Specials page through Yahoo Web Hosting, so fortunately I didn’t have much data that needed rescuing — I copied off all of their pertinent Office and QuickBooks files and gave Christine the bad news.

“You need a new computer. It’s time for it to die,” Seven years is more than enough service life out of a laptop, and I wasn’t trusting Christine’s catering business to an old dusty piece of junk.

So I went out to where I knew I could get a good deal on a computer — my big box discount club of choice, COSTCO.

As it turns out, COSTCO had a great deal on a 15″ Dell Studio, with Core Duo processor, 4GB of RAM, a 500GB hard drive, Wireless-N, DVD recorder and built-in webcam for $699.00. As COSTCO throws in an additional year of warranty, this seemed like a no-brainer, so I grabbed one right up.

I brought the laptop home, unboxed it, and powered it up. Vista Home Premium 64-bit with SP1 comes up. The initial startup process is absolutely agonizingly slow. I can’t blame this one on Vista — it’s all the crapware Dell loads onto the system, including a 30-day trial of McAfee Security Suite (oh yeah, that’s really gonna help when it times out in a month) some stupid Mac OS X-style icon bar and about a dozen other programs and useless games and garbage cluttering up the system.

So in addition to about 2 hours of waiting for all the Post-SP1 Vista patches to download, installing a new copy of QuickBooks 2009 ($200, Ka-Ching!) importing/converting her QBW journal file and then bringing the system up to SP2 with additional hotfixes, I then proceed to remove crapware software from the computer and make sure the system is secure for daily use. First, I yank McAfee and replace it with a copy of Avast! Free, along with Advanced SystemCare 3 and Spybot Search & Destroy my standard triumvirate of PC prophylaxis.

The uninstalls and reboots take HOURS. I use another tool, CCleaner, to turn off programs in Startup that aren’t frequently needed. By the time I am done, It’s 8PM.

Why oh why do things have to be this way? Is there a reason for all this unnecessary software that comes with a new system? If Dell, HP, Acer and other PC OEMs are doing this for additional income from the crapware software vendors, by all means, can’t they just distribute this awful stuff on a supplementary DVD or provide an icon with a simple app that downloads the entitled garbage if the user really wants it? And do we really need all these enhanced button bars and junk that just eat up more memory and slow the system down?

In my opinion, the OS build on a brand new retail purchased PC should not deviate tremendously from a retail DVD virgin install of Windows. It should have the requisite driver support for the new PC hardware, so that everything “works” out of the box but other than that, I really don’t see the value in crippleware and crapware that the end-user is going to have to spend hours removing.

Dell and other OEMs would be much better off with a single icon that provides a remote managed software deployment utility which provides the customer with a list of free and commercial security suites, driver updates and utilities they can choose to purchase or download after unboxing, not unlike the App Store on the iPhone. Lenovo does this to some extent with their ThinkVantage System Update utility, which I think is a good implementation and approach, although their systems aren’t entirely crapware-free either.

What’s your feeling about crapware on fresh OEM PCs? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

Jason PerlowJason Perlow is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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... the Windows installer  ChiperSoft | 07/01/09
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eh?  magallanes | 07/02/09
The problem with that is using the OEM supplied media.  Letophoro | 07/01/09
Reinstall crapware...  JoeMama_z | 07/01/09
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The fact is that most of the 'crapware'  Lerianis10 | 07/01/09
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Break computers  CobraA1 | 07/01/09
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The only reason I buy from COSTCO  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Jason, if you purchase a PC with Windows........  TonyOz | 07/02/09
re: Jason, if you purchase a PC with Windows........  kaninelupus | 07/02/09
Institute This  johnfenjackson@... | 07/02/09
@johnfenjackson - Give me a break!!  kaninelupus | 07/02/09
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Not at all.  ye | 07/02/09
More Rubbish  Economister | 07/02/09
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Worse on "home" PC vs. "business"  dstrom | 07/02/09
Definitely  Nitz_Walsh | 07/02/09
From the point of view of the vendors...  Henry Miller | 07/02/09
short term thinking.  kaninelupus | 07/02/09
I only have one problem with your diagnosis...  Steve Goldman | 07/02/09
Hmmm . . .  twirth5@... | 07/02/09
Let's make this simple. Point 1 below really says it all:  HypnoToad72 | 07/02/09
A couple of mistakes in your post.  wolf_z | 07/03/09
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They're computers, not toasters  jfederline@... | 07/02/09
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Really?  daftkey | 07/02/09
I've seen it not only break scripts but not work at all.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
About a little real support also?  The_Quietman | 07/02/09
I Love The Bloat  bgavin | 07/02/09
Windows 7 will make this easier for you...  condelirios | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  leber70@... | 07/02/09
Easier way to fix...  Narg | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  dogmo1001 | 07/02/09
Jason... there is a helpful app for your box!  devlin_X | 07/02/09
How much money is it saving me?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/02/09
I don't have that problem  DocChuck | 07/02/09
How wonderful for you...  readwryt@... | 07/02/09
If that is all it takes  Crestview | 07/02/09
You might as well regen the OS!  sborsher | 07/02/09
I loved the old Wild Tangent games  marks055@... | 07/02/09
There were a ton of them  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
I liked the old ones  marks055@... | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  DocChuck | 07/02/09
Jason... you wasted too much time...  Millystone | 07/02/09
Perhaps I forgot to mention  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  Howard2009 | 07/02/09
Here's what I got out of it  Info-Dave | 07/02/09
Microsoft releases combo updates too. They're called...  ye | 07/02/09
I respectfully disagree  Info-Dave | 07/02/09
Well, if you insist on doing it the fools way then I'd agree.  ye | 07/02/09
And because I don't have time, I agree  Info-Dave | 07/02/09
They do.  ye | 07/02/09
No they don't  Info-Dave | 07/02/09
@infodave  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
@Info-Dave: Your story has changed.  ye | 07/03/09
Of course there's a reason for crapware.  Userama | 07/02/09
The point of all this bloatware is...  rebelxhardcore | 07/02/09
Just wipe the drive and start over  union pier | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  ci1205 | 07/02/09
Have you tried Glary Utilities?  faiz553 | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  Joe Avelar | 07/02/09
I completely agree.  justinmiller87 | 07/02/09
I agree entirely  zweekerboy | 07/02/09
There is an alternative....  zenwalker | 07/02/09
Business Users need Business PCs  ipjunkie | 07/02/09
Amen!  daftkey | 07/02/09
Backup  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Reality Orientation  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Good point, except..  daftkey | 07/02/09
A couple of days  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
This is getting bizarre  Economister | 07/02/09
I did not say "two days"  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Ah, splitting hairs and fabricating issues.  Economister | 07/02/09
Incorrect.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Unfortunately..........  Economister | 07/02/09
So you want to be an investigative reporter?  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Cute  Economister | 07/03/09
@jperlow: So let me see if I've got this straight.  ye | 07/03/09
Let me just add one small correction to my post above.  Economister | 07/04/09
Wha?  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/04/09
Unless of course you don't buy new equipment.  nizuse | 07/04/09
"Shelling out $$" and buying new equipment  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/05/09
Jason, this discussion is on other threads.  nizuse | 07/05/09
With that expense and chore...  osreinstall | 07/02/09
Please Jason  Info-Dave | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  Atari800 | 07/02/09
"Critical" is relative to purpose  daftkey | 07/02/09
And if this function is unavailable for a day the cost is?  ye | 07/02/09
See my reply to Jason just above (nt)  Economister | 07/02/09
Buy the Dell Business systems  Gis Bun | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  hsaleem1 | 07/02/09
Cut the crap, pay for removal= $ of apple  terramir@... | 07/02/09
I hope they keep putting on the crapware  rftait | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  jbaviera@... | 07/02/09
Advanced Systemcare?????!!  mikermiker | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  topaz_z | 07/02/09
You should have gone Vostro...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/03/09
Dear Jason, thanks for the article!  terry flores | 07/03/09
This is why I build my own systems  kcredden2 | 07/03/09
FYI - Dell Vista Business  Wayne Reid | 07/03/09
i agree, but....  billw1234 | 07/03/09
bad friend you are!  billw1234 | 07/03/09
Build my own but some OEMs offer options  Wayne Reid | 07/03/09
My guess is that....  Economister | 07/03/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  zdneter0000 | 07/03/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  ArrowQuick | 07/03/09
OEM Linux machines aren't immuned either....  devlin_X | 07/03/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  dennisgornall@... | 07/03/09
Is this a fair summary?  msalzberg | 07/04/09
Yes, but  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 07/04/09
Look on the bright side...!  Zogg | 07/05/09
A friend of mine had a similar experience  GOTBO | 07/04/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  shollomon | 07/04/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  shollomon | 07/04/09
Avast Free on a computer used for business?  tim@... | 07/04/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  gem8055 | 07/04/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  Daiv_Skinner | 07/05/09
This is why  NStalnecker | 07/05/09
But one occasional issue with a clean install  zenwalker | 07/05/09
I would backup all the drivers & system data first.  osreinstall | 07/05/09
all available for DL from vendor  kaninelupus | 07/05/09
OEM's cut the crap?? What alternate reality are we living in??  kaninelupus | 07/05/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  techfix | 07/05/09
concur.... almost  kaninelupus | 07/06/09
HP has learned...  konkreet | 07/05/09
Dell and 7 hours of hell  alexh1111 | 07/14/09
Time to get a Apple Mac instead  zeebruce | 07/14/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  medwhiz | 07/14/09
You threw out a 2002 year laptop  tracy anne | 07/14/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  JerseyReader | 07/16/09
Replica Watches  benks001 | 09/23/09

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