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August 12th, 2009

Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building

Posted by Jason Perlow @ 6:39 pm

Categories: Desktop, General, Hardware Infrastructure, Server

Tags: AMD Opteron, Amazon.com Inc., Power Supply, CPU, Processors, Desktops, Semiconductors, Hardware, Components, Jason Perlow

It all started with two extra Opteron CPUs and RAM and a bunch of hard drives which I had lying around, that mushroomed into a Build-Your-Own monster PC project. Like a modern day Victor von Frankenstein, who digs up bodies in graveyards in order to bring his creature to life, I was going to scour the Internet for component parts to put this monster together: Der Frankenputer.

Several months ago I put up a blog post called “Extreme PCs and Homebrewing: Rest In Peace”, which needless to say attracted a great deal of responses on both side of the fence, those that agreed that due to the economy and the factors surrounding the business of homebrewing and component sales, system building is probably in its last days, and others who vehemently oppose the notion that the practice of home-brewing your own computer is going away.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

In the article I explained that I am now more of a consumer of PC technology than a tinkerer, at least when it comes to desktop systems. I buy a lot of my computers from big box stores like COSTCO because I can get a very inexpensive — or shall I say disposable — computer in the $500-$600 range that addresses pretty much all of my home computing needs for at least a year or two. I’m not a gamer so a lot of the tweaked-out features of most “extreme” rigs would be pretty wasted on me. However, a situation came up recently that caused me to build for what I think is probably my very last powerful desktop/workstation-class homebrew box.

After upgrading the RAM and processors on two of my servers, I found myself with two spare Opteron Quad-Core model 2384 “Shanghai” CPUs, 8GB of DDR2 667Mhz ECC RAM and a bunch of 500GB SATA hard disks.  Any way you price that, it’s about $1500.00-$2000.00 in leftover parts depending on who you source it from. What to do, what to do.

Naturally, I thought, they would be best utilized in another system.  It occurred to me that I’m probably going to be doing a lot more testing of OSes and various resource-intensive enterprise software products this year and it would be nice to be able to run them on my desk using a quieter system, instead of running them on various loud and power-hungry servers on my makeshift IKEA server rack-cum-home datacenter that sits behind me in my basement. They’re great to have around when I need to test something, but leaving them on all day generates an awful lot of racket and they eat a considerable amount of power.

I gave it some more thought. I can give my current Dell desktop $500.00 COSTCO Special to my wife, use her current system elsewhere, perhaps as a Multimedia PC for the den, and use this thing as my primary desktop. The problem is that you can’t exactly call Dell or HP and ask them to send you a Opteron-class workstation with no RAM and no CPUs. And while I am aware there are custom system builders out there that do that sort of thing, with the level of effort required, I might as well piece together this thing myself.

It’s been a while since I have had to piece together a system from components, probably a good two or three years. So I started researching parts. Originally, I tried to see if I could get it all from one vendor. I thought TigerDirect.com, who I’ve bought a number things from this last year would have everything I needed, but it turned out they didn’t.

Bill of materials from TigerDirect. Click to enlarge.

Case, check. Thermal paste? Check. OEM DVD burner? Check. Mainboard? Well, it turns out that most sane people don’t choose to use twin $600.00 server/HPC virtualization processors as desktop chips, so their Socket-F/1207 selection was pretty limited, as it was from an number of other vendors I investigated. I really wanted to narrow down the number of vendors that I had to deal with, so I went with the Tyan Thunder N3600B.

Okay, so what about the cooling fans for the CPUs? Well, it turns out Tiger doesn’t have them in stock. Apparently, there’s not much call for Opteron cooling fans over there. I’ll have to go somewhere else. Power Supply? I made a back of the envelope calculation that between the mainboard, CPUs, graphics card and hard disk and other peripherals I’d need a 500 Watt power supply, so I rounded that up another 100 watts just to be safe.

Tiger only has one power supply in the 600-watt range, everything else is super pumped up for the gamer crowd, in the 750-850 watt range or higher and they start at around $120.00, plus shipping costs. I didn’t feel like spending more than $100.00 for the power supply, I thought anything above 600 watts was sheer overkill for what I was going to be doing with the box.

I also wanted a quiet unit because this machine was going to be sitting on my desk. I ended up going with the PC Power and Cooling Silencer 610, which although Tigerdirect didn’t have (they stock the beefier 750W version) it turns out Amazon did have it, and with my Prime discount and free shipping came to $95.00, right where I wanted to spend. So at the very least I was now committed to sourcing at least one part from Amazon.

Amazon had a bunch of other parts I needed as well. Guess what? They had the Opteron fans!

Amazon bill of materials. Click to enlarge.

Amazon also had the exact graphics card I wanted. I didn’t need a super-crazy dual SLI gamer card, but I wanted something that had native HDMI output so I could use the 1080p capabilities of my 25″ widescreen and would have no problem rendering HDTV video. Amazon had a GeForce 9800 1GB DDR3 from Sparkle that fit the bill nicely.

As it turns out, I could have ordered all of my components from Amazon, because Tigerdirect has a store presence there and I could have itemized them all on one bill. They still would have charged me shipping on those items though, and Tiger would have still fulfilled that part of the order, so it didn’t make much of a difference in the end.

In the last few days, parts have started to arrive — First, Tigerdirect’s. All the parts came within two days except for the mainboard, which as of today I’m still waiting for, even though it was received by their warehouse on the 7th of August. As it turns out, Tiger doesn’t actually keep the higher-end mainboard products from Tyan in stock, they are drop-shipped direct from the manufacturer to Tiger’s Naperville, Illinois receiving center and then re-shipped to the customer.

This drop shipping thing appears to be standard practice from a lot of online PC parts vendors, who due to the slowing economy and razor-thin margins have slimmed down their operations considerably and keep their inventory light.  I got my case, which after examining it I noticed it didn’t include the 120mm ventilation fan. So I jumped back on the web and spent another $15.00 on a Thermaltake ball bearing unit.  Amazon’s parts all arrived shortly thereafter.

So to make $2000 worth of extra parts fit into a PC, I spent $722.00. Sure, when I’m done, it’s going to be a $3000.00+ system and I’m sure it will run very well — at least as far as I can tell. And however much I will enjoy actually putting the pieces together when my mainboard finally does arrive, I do have to say that I’m not a big fan of sourcing parts piecemeal over the Internet.

No, homebrewing seems to be even less of a joy than it was only a few years ago, when you could just drive around one afternoon collecting pieces from various local retailers and discount whitebox builders. It’s certainly not something you want to do if you need a system in short order. Most importantly, you really need to do a lot of upfront research to make sure that everything will work right together and that you can get the exact parts you need, and that you don’t miss out on anything essential — like my $15.00 case fan.

While my Opteron situation complicated matters more than your average PC enthusiast might face, I can still see a bunch of situations where customers may end up dealing with multiple drop-shipping scenarios and end up waiting for parts to arrive over the course of over a week or two, or even more with stocking delays.

Building a PC from sourced parts may be fun when you get them all in one big pile, but it’s sure pain in the ass having to do all the up front research and waiting around for deliveries. Have you had any similar frustrating experiences recently when homebrewing a PC? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

Jason PerlowJason Perlow is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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I gotta admit, in the old days..
having branded protection for every item in the device build really paid off!

But in the last five years? Not so much at all!

First off - it seems like the cheap Chinese crap that snuck ... (Read the rest)
Posted by: JCitizen Posted on: 10/08/09  (Edited: 10/08/09 @ 11:21) You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Well, Jason ...  mwagner@... | 08/12/09
Not to dispute what you say  chrome_slinky@... | 08/12/09
For the same quality components...  bjbrock | 08/12/09
And dont forget  rparker009 | 08/14/09
and...  cnjwebtvnet@... | 08/19/09
I'm just gonna come out and say it ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 08/13/09
Re: I'm just gonna come out and say it ...  wolflight | 08/13/09
Not only for the reasons you state  LiquidLearner | 08/13/09
Incremental upgrade happy  chezbal | 08/14/09
ditto for DIY  rcasey101 | 08/18/09
Thanks for jumping in, Adiran!  mwagner@... | 08/14/09
Point well taken, but--  mjolnar@... | 08/14/09
knowledge gained for free  User 13 | 08/14/09
Building computers and rebuilding Chevy's  burtoni | 08/18/09
Us? who the hell is us?  User 13 | 08/14/09
And where are all the dead computers going?  teriruss@... | 08/14/09
Where are you looking at parts?  Cayble | 08/18/09
actually...  crabbypup | 08/14/09
Well stated and ditto! (nt)  djchandler | 08/14/09
come out & say it . . .  drcrow | 08/16/09
I dont know who you buy your individual parts from  jdbukis@... | 08/13/09
RE: I don't know who you buy your individual parts from....  wolflight | 08/13/09
RE: I don't know who you buy your individual parts from  andyb12345 | 08/13/09
Well, only half right.  osreinstall | 08/13/09
I am not talking about off-the-shelf. I am ...  mwagner@... | 08/14/09
I disagree..  Modred189 | 08/14/09
Now why would you do that?  osreinstall | 08/14/09
Re: Well, Jason...  spleendamage | 08/13/09
Re: Well, Jason...  andyb12345 | 08/13/09
CRAPWARE is a real problem ...  mwagner@... | 08/14/09
RE: Crapware Solution  ahampson | 08/14/09
NOPE. Not for the home user (nt)  mwagner@... | 08/14/09
How Hard Is That? n/t  mjolnar@... | 08/14/09
For some people...  bjbrock | 08/14/09
About Saving $$$.....  nbahn | 08/13/09
That's a GOOD question!  mwagner@... | 08/14/09
Linux/MS Dual Boot Since 1992  usr001 | 08/14/09
You can still save money... If you do it right.  Wolfie2K3 | 08/13/09
Lower cost of Dell  codehopper | 08/14/09
Dell does sell systems on-line with no OS  mwagner@... | 08/14/09
A couple things to add  20kwfence | 08/14/09
I just built a dragon.  mjolnar@... | 08/14/09
You do it for fun  Randalllind | 08/14/09
Ah but for the fun of it.  jortony@... | 08/16/09
I couldn't even build a PC for what I wanted...  JCitizen | 10/08/09
I do it all the time  chrome_slinky@... | 08/12/09
Last hurrah?  bjbrock | 08/12/09
No more questions your honor ...  Adrian Kingsley-HughesZDNet Moderator | 08/13/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  jwspicer | 08/13/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  perversion2003@... | 08/13/09
Yes  mark-at-pirate-hill@... | 08/13/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  mark-at-pirate-hill@... | 08/13/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  algisk@... | 08/13/09
The source of Mac superiority claims  LiquidLearner | 08/13/09
Ditto!  eMJayy | 08/14/09
Personally  NStalnecker | 08/13/09
Waiting is for the OEMs  pbilling@... | 08/14/09
Homebrew will be alive for as long as I can build one  Michael L Hereid Sr | 08/13/09
Waiting for parts isn't necessarily a 'bad' thing  Lerianis10 | 08/14/09
Micro-Center  WindowWasher | 08/14/09
Nope.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/14/09
Well...  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/16/09
Try NewEgg.com  jhimes | 08/18/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  jjbeard926@... | 08/14/09
You didn't mention the OS costs  utoddl | 08/14/09
I haven't put anything on it yet  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/14/09
win7  MrSinatra | 08/14/09
Probably Server 2008 R2 first  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/14/09
WEI  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/16/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  pwn0tr0n | 08/14/09
HOMEBREW WILL ALWAYS LIVE!  bionicbub | 08/14/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  Hemlock Stones | 08/14/09
Does anyone agree this is techie talking?  ARyKaXaN | 08/14/09
YEP.  mwagner@... | 08/14/09
yup  ARyKaXaN | 08/14/09
That reminds me...  ShadowGIATL | 08/14/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  JohnMayer | 08/14/09
no, you can't  ARyKaXaN | 08/14/09
Satisfaction is not perfection  User 13 | 08/14/09
Well...  Jkirk3279 | 08/14/09
yeah the OS would be the sticking point  User 13 | 08/14/09
Not just for gaming but for quality and longevity  User 13 | 08/14/09
i built a system for a client  crabbypup | 08/14/09
God news / bad news. If you can build it, you can maintain it.  softwareFlunky | 08/14/09
Excuse to replace them  usr001 | 08/14/09
Re: Excuse to replace them  nbahn | 08/14/09
I just built myself a brand new office computer  Edesw88 | 08/14/09
build your own  hadoz | 08/14/09
Reality Check  bump911 | 08/14/09
Alive at what scale or in what context?  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/14/09
That is a terrible comparison  User 13 | 08/14/09
Re: Alive at what scale or in what context?  bump911 | 08/14/09
Home Built vs. Box Purchase  radar696@... | 08/14/09
Cars and computers - both popular hobbies...  randysmith@... | 08/14/09
Old Builders Never Die  truetejas | 08/14/09
Old Builders Never Die  geoffrey.seymour | 08/14/09
But what if the pc you built exceeds what you thought it would  Michael L Hereid Sr | 08/14/09
Old Builders Never Die  geoffrey.seymour | 08/15/09
NEWEGG, "once you know..."  MrSinatra | 08/14/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  rparker009 | 08/14/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  cjc82s | 08/14/09
You used the wrong store(s)  Drakaran | 08/14/09
Bad reviews of TigerDirect  babyboomer57 | 08/14/09
Yep, still bad  Drakaran | 08/17/09
Agreed! TigerDirect is not as reliable as Newegg  kyn_67@... | 08/18/09
I still like Tiger, but not for system building..  JCitizen | 10/08/09
A need to create  jeff996@... | 08/14/09
Tigerdirect SUCKS P-E-R-I-O-D !  Gradius2 | 08/14/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  maxsonmb@... | 08/15/09
cellphone/PDA homebrewing?  in situ | 08/15/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  fletchoid | 08/16/09
Newegg...  Narg | 08/17/09
AMEN!  jhimes | 08/18/09
Sorry Jason ... but No ... not this one.  p_msac@... | 08/17/09
I had plenty of frustration with my first system this summer, BUT...  Jeff Hayes | 08/17/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  scarney@... | 08/17/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  PizzaManWill | 08/17/09
Nope  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/17/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  wirloe | 08/17/09
Why would anyone buy a stock system  StanMM | 08/17/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  Secret52@... | 08/18/09
You had the most important and expensive pieces: the CPU's !!!  EE-Rob | 08/18/09
WOW!!!  nbahn | 08/18/09
Skill set  robert.lazor | 08/27/09
RE: Der Frankenputer: A Last Hurrah at System Building  smith@... | 08/18/09
Assembled PCs: Macdonald VS Home Made!  p_msac@... | 08/20/09
I gotta admit, in the old days..  JCitizen | 10/08/09
Good article Jason; I've long suspected...  JCitizen | 10/08/09

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