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November 24th, 2009

For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple

Posted by Jason Perlow @ 1:26 pm

Categories: Apple, Business, Desktop, General, Hardware Infrastructure, Personal Technology

Tags: Hewlett-Packard Co., OEM, Apple Inc., Laptop Computer, Notebooks, Hardware, Notebooks & Tablets, Jason Perlow

Is this how you work? Then don’t get angry at your OEM when they invalidate your warranty when you send your PC in for service.

Yesterday our own Apple Core blogger Jason O’Grady reported that Apple has now adopted a policy of voiding warrantees on equipment if it has been exposed to smoke. Needless to say the smokers have been angry.

To Apple, I say this: I agree with you, and I think every single hardware OEM and consumer electronics company should follow suit.

To the smokers, I say tough noogies, take your rotten cancer sticks with you and please swallow a truckload of Altoids down your creosote reeking maw before you get in close proximity of me, or I will throw up in your face.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

There are those that feel that once you purchase a computer you should be able to do anything you want with it. Fair enough. But that doesn’t mean you should abuse the the heck out of it and expect an OEM to honor a warranty or accidental damage coverage.

Back in August I wrote two stories about a HP laptop that I had been using which incurred damage due to “Mishandling”. The first of which was me venting my anger at Hewlett Packard for holding the laptop hostage and refusing to honor the warranty and the second of which was an explanation of how the issue got resolved and an education on Accidental Damage coverage at various OEMs.

As far as I can tell from my previous research on the subject, Apple is the strictest of the OEMs when it comes to its policies on accidents or abuse of equipment. Its Applecare program doesn’t even offer the same type of ADC that HP, Lenovo or Dell has, as far as guaranteeing against drops or screen cracks or anything of the sort that falls out of the range of normal equipment failure.

Apple should definitely offer this type of additional insurance to buyers, considering those folks who travel often and may put their laptops or other systems at risk due to the sheer chance of it getting klunked around in the Rapiscan, in an aircraft overhead bin or by a mishandling by a TSA gorilla during a random inspection. These sort of things do happen, through no fault of our own.

However, as it relates to smoke damage, the company should have no mercy. As someone who has had to repair and maintain systems owned by chain smokers, I applaud what Apple is doing, and I think that every single vendor of systems equipment as well as consumer electronics should follow suit.

[UPDATED for clarification] I’ll take Apple’s objections over warranty coverage — which is refusing to have their technicians work on smoke-exposed equipment due to Nicotine contamination concerns one step further. In my opinion, smoking next to a computer constitutes severe abuse of the equipment and if manufacturers continue to allow warranties to stand on systems which are sent in with smoke damage, then the costs of damage coverage is going to continue to be high and will rise for those of us who are non-smokers.

It costs OEMs money to replace those parts and perform the labor to clean out those gummed up filthy systems and those costs filter down to the consumer, whether they smoke or not. Not to mention run the risk of exposing their workers to the horrible gunk when they work on these machines and having to pay much higher insurance premiums on their health care plans.

Don’t like this? Well, alternatively, if you smoke, your ADC insurance should be significantly higher than those of us who don’t, just like it is for health and life insurance.

Sure you have the right to abuse your computer. But don’t expect the OEM to honor any replacement or warranty repairs if you do.

Should Apple and other OEMs void warranties of systems with evidence of smoke damage or require more expensive ADC plans for smokers? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

Jason PerlowJason Perlow is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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I agree  NStalnecker | 11/24/09
I am amazed how long it took...  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  nz_helpdeskguy | 11/24/09
They don't make them like they used to  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
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Economies of scale  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
I remember when mainboards ...  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
Re; I remember when mainboards ...  dca@... | 11/25/09
LOL! Absolutely. (nt)  babyboomer57 | 11/26/09
Flour...  wright_is | 11/25/09
too true  mswift@... | 11/25/09
I have just been handed my number one defence...  richardw66 | 12/03/09
This----cough, cough-----is a----cough, cough, cough---terrible idea!  Userama | 11/24/09
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Wow Jason...  LiquidLearner | 11/24/09
Read it again  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/24/09
to be fair, jason  unknownweirdo@... | 11/24/09
Updated for clarification.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
But that's what . . .  JLHenry | 11/25/09
The article you referred to did, Jason. (NT)  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
Updated for clarification.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
Smoke damage?  eddndee | 11/24/09
@eddndee  Axsimulate | 11/25/09
I occasionally smoke a pipe, and you ...  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
Smoke all you want...  wright_is | 11/25/09
Or replacement of CPU/PS fans. (NT)  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
Did you read what I said?  LiquidLearner | 11/25/09
Proof?  patibulo | 11/25/09
Can cause a number of system component failures  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
Can, can and can  rapson | 11/25/09
Your argument is ridiculous  dkawalec | 11/25/09
Re; It is physically possible to submerge a powered-off computer ...  dca@... | 11/25/09
What effect does cooking fat smoke have?  windozefreak | 11/25/09
Exactly the same if frying at high temps ..  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
An anecdote  trent1 | 11/25/09
AGREED  nicktang | 11/25/09
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How is...  wright_is | 11/25/09
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RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  Badgered | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  dysart | 11/25/09
It will..  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
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BINGO!  kd5auq | 11/25/09
Already excluded in most warranties  fitzgerrell | 11/25/09
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Except that Apple does not offer a "ToughMac"!  kd5auq | 11/25/09
@kd5auq  Axsimulate | 11/25/09
Are you serious?  NonZealot | 11/25/09
@NonZealot  Axsimulate | 11/25/09
Now that was a (relatively) civil discussion!  NonZealot | 11/25/09
Industrial plastics...  GrizzledGeezer | 11/25/09
the material is not the issue  trent1 | 11/25/09
Metal or Plastic ??  kd5auq | 11/25/09
And, that my man, is the real point.  windozefreak | 11/25/09
They don't have to.  MacintoshKat | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  debc19 | 11/25/09
Of course if they put a filter on the fan  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
Filters  Fark | 11/25/09
Filters - Add your own, PCs into Air Freshners  richardw66 | 12/03/09
Have you ever looked inside a PC?  rcfoulk@... | 11/25/09
So why not tell customers UP FRONT?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
By the way, just turn it around  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
But it is flow dynamics  rcfoulk@... | 11/25/09
And even if that didn't affect it ...  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
Yes, just like blowing them out occsionally.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
The users would just disconnect them like ...  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
So? Design it properly.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
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Heat Rises - PC makers don't always know this (slightly OT)  richardw66 | 12/03/09
Airflow...  Jeshimon | 11/28/09
What IS a warranty, anyway?  mwagner@... | 11/25/09
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My failure rate experience...  richardw66 | 12/03/09
You agree with Apple, I disagree with you both.  drmburke | 11/25/09
Exactlly, tell the buyer UP FRONT.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  lmhorta@... | 11/25/09
Show the proof where any of this is bad for machines.  windozefreak | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  dbarr@... | 11/25/09
pick on the unpopular guy  trent1 | 11/25/09
Thank you.  Captiosus | 11/25/09
From a non-smoker....  windozefreak | 11/25/09
I'm a cancer  tealcat | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  Gis Bun | 11/25/09
Ridiculous  Mr_Wizard | 11/25/09
I don't think any of you really get it  Joe_Raby | 11/25/09
Wear a pair of gloves.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
And boxes of surgical gloves . . .  JLHenry | 11/25/09
Indeed, they cost pennies.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
But are any latex or rubber gloves antistatic?  Cardhu | 12/02/09
Wrong  Joe_Raby | 11/25/09
Heats up? How?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
No  Joe_Raby | 11/26/09
In that case it would have outgassed  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/27/09
BS, BS,BS  windozefreak | 11/25/09
Not BS  Joe_Raby | 11/25/09
But Apple does not write the rules, but they are suppose to abid by them?  windozefreak | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  MartijnV | 11/25/09
anybody got any data to show smoke damages PC components?  ca1ic0cat | 11/25/09
Have you opened a computer used by a smoker?  rarsa | 11/25/09
So what, I see lots worse PCs  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
maybe  trent1 | 11/25/09
trent1  Axsimulate | 11/25/09
Disagreeing doesn't change it  trent1 | 11/25/09
LOL  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
OK, here is just ONE ...  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
Baby oil coating the read head of cdrom/dvd drives  windozefreak | 11/25/09
@windozefreak.. WTF? We were talking about smoke ....  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
I came with that 20 years ago!!  rarsa | 11/25/09
NO Apple (Ever !!!)  tiredpolitico | 11/25/09
please send me your 'i' things  john_gillespie@... | 11/25/09
Simplicity and innovation are bad?  MacintoshKat | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  OhKrud | 11/25/09
social engineering by OEMs  paladin2 | 11/25/09
that might be how your desk looks  ggossett001 | 11/25/09
I have never smoked, never will, and...  GrizzledGeezer | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  csenna | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  psion@... | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  harmelink@... | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  mike@... | 11/25/09
Are you a former smoker?  trent1 | 11/25/09
No.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
Your assuming things  trent1 | 11/25/09
Let me put it this way  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
Rock solid there  trent1 | 11/25/09
That is the funniest thing I have ever heard from you! (NT)  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
Also . . .  JLHenry | 11/25/09
But, smell and dislike of a substance is not cause to deny warranty.  windozefreak | 11/25/09
It is my right to discriminate  rarsa | 11/25/09
yeah?  john_gillespie@... | 11/25/09
I don't know, but you would not be allowed in.  windozefreak | 11/25/09
Adult section!  rgvsouthtx | 11/25/09
I don't know, but he is not qualified to comment on adult goings on.  windozefreak | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  b_abualasal@... | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  gowirelesstech | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  azvicrider | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  windozefreak | 11/25/09
Apple (doesn't apparently) Care  michael.tindall@... | 11/25/09
I don't Smoke! The cigarrette does!  derekgore | 11/25/09
you are correct sir  paladin2 | 11/25/09
Not to be a pain  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
UHH, can you say Gas Chamber? Lethal Injection? many states have them. (NT)  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
If you want to compare  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
Leaving Politcal criminals aside ...  babyboomer57 | 11/25/09
you mean which country?  paladin2 | 11/25/09
Paladin2  derekgore | 11/25/09
I am a smoking nazi  rarsa | 11/25/09
Rarsa  derekgore | 11/25/09
Do not assume  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/26/09
jperlow I did not assume  derekgore | 11/26/09
Were you responding to me?  rarsa | 11/26/09
rarsa, good points all  derekgore | 11/26/09
All's good  rarsa | 11/30/09
Rarsa, the apology stands.  derekgore | 11/30/09
Having seen pictures of the insides of a PC..  D. W. Bierbaum | 11/25/09
bias / prejudice / slippery slope  MrSinatra | 11/25/09
For them to tell, there had to be more than a "whiff" of smoke.  D. W. Bierbaum | 11/26/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  chrisl317 | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  Dave Ladely | 11/25/09
Dave Ladely  derekgore | 11/25/09
Well Said!  chrisl317 | 11/25/09
chrisl317  derekgore | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  Dave Ladely | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  iouzero | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  psm5755@... | 11/25/09
Music studios / Pep Boys  davidr69 | 11/25/09
invalid analogies abounding  michael.tindall@... | 11/25/09
The analogies are absolutely correct  davidr69 | 11/25/09
au contraire....  michael.tindall@... | 11/25/09
John Gotti Jr.  davidr69 | 11/25/09
oranges and apples.  michael.tindall@... | 11/25/09
Complete expecting that response  davidr69 | 11/25/09
What?  chrisl317 | 11/25/09
Off topic so is my response.  rgvsouthtx | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  ashok hingorani | 11/25/09
Stated Clearly Prior to Purchase?  leegee | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  ikar6@... | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  ChuckKristensen | 11/25/09
And I think you're a Fascist.  alloro | 11/25/09
Actuallly  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
Do facists ever call themselves facists?  John238 | 11/25/09
Yes, in the past, they have.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
Not facism; simply irritated by the lack of consideration  davidr69 | 11/25/09
Spurious analogy seriously over the top.  rgvsouthtx | 11/25/09
davidr69  derekgore | 11/25/09
Amen! Brother..  akaralia | 11/25/09
Normal operating conditions  tygyrtoo@... | 11/25/09
I agree that a typical environment should be covered.  John238 | 11/25/09
Real Damage, Yes. A little bit of dust or a bit of smoke . . .BS!  John238 | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  brian@... | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  firth@... | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  azieser | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  john.b.sims@... | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  becabill@... | 11/25/09
Socialism...the death of civil liberties  webrown | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  nomad35d@... | 11/25/09
This is stupid  pcampagna | 11/25/09
Wear rubber gloves- DUH!  dtroyerSMU | 11/25/09
pccampagna  derekgore | 11/25/09
Re; So if they have a non smoker's machine and have to desolder ...  dca@... | 11/25/09
donkey dumplings  Dr. John | 11/25/09
Re; Computers are full of toxic substances the day before they're ...  dca@... | 11/25/09
Right now...  Dr. John | 11/30/09
Re; If you were Apple would you want your own employees suing you...  dca@... | 11/25/09
Wow, what a bias.  HexHammer67 | 11/25/09
You're serious??!!!  Dr. John | 11/25/09
Nicely put, and I totally agree.  John238 | 11/25/09
John238  derekgore | 11/25/09
It is a serious thing  cmaylor | 11/26/09
You're waaaaaaaaay off on this one.  Dr. John | 11/30/09
Damage do to smoke: a smoke and mirror tactic  dtroyerSMU | 11/25/09
Coffin Nails and Mac Waranty  spincitysd@... | 11/25/09
spincitysd  derekgore | 11/25/09
Fraud foolishness.  spincitysd@... | 11/25/09
Drivel?  Dr. John | 11/25/09
Ah, attack the messenger  spincitysd@... | 11/25/09
I'll take that as a "yes".  Dr. John | 11/30/09
Yes I did agree  derekgore | 11/25/09
Clarity is in the eye of the beholder  spincitysd@... | 11/25/09
spincitysd, simply no  derekgore | 11/25/09
finally  spincitysd@... | 11/25/09
Clarity is in the eye of the beholder  spincitysd@... | 11/25/09
The spin doctor is in!  Dr. John | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  parallelsva | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  azurehi | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  davolente@... | 11/25/09
davolente  derekgore | 11/25/09
just to let you know  chrisl317 | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  brucebell2002@... | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  sackbut | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  oicur12ok | 11/25/09
Oh no -- A troll with a blog  zdnet@... | 11/25/09
Granted Smoking is disgusting, but I don't agree with Apple  se_lain@... | 11/25/09
OH, finally, iPhone and cell phone damage  dtroyerSMU | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  fstocking | 11/25/09
Smoking and writing were the happiest days in my life  zkdslo | 11/25/09
More Social Engineering  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  bluedog1000 | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  dmbryant99@... | 11/25/09
What about stupidity?  dmendels | 11/25/09
Jason, why no out cry that BUYERS are not told this?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
Why isn't this done in say Japan?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/25/09
Apple Wants Its Hand In State Rule  RoughWriter | 11/25/09
Statists no, Capitalist Si  spincitysd@... | 11/25/09
Fraud one more time  spincitysd@... | 11/25/09
More drivel  Dr. John | 11/30/09
What's next? Shops that refuse dollar bills because there is coke on them?  emenau | 11/25/09
Using a worst-case scenario to weasel out  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  Bolt5284 | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  meetyoulater@... | 11/25/09
Apple shooting themselves again.  Bill_77094 | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  8Limes | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  charlieg1 | 11/25/09
I agree with Apple and even Non-Smoker PC users too.  Gyula Bognar, Jr. | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  loupgarous | 11/25/09
This is a joke, right?  akaralia | 11/25/09
Racist?  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/25/09
Thanks for correcting me...  akaralia | 11/28/09
Dehumanized Toxicity  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 11/29/09
Prejudice is applied to human beings or groups as a whole  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 11/29/09
Jason, Culturally biased?  derekgore | 11/30/09
A Contra Hominem Attack  Cardhu | 11/30/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  pjones | 11/25/09
Let me tell you a story...  mikifinaz1@... | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  tealcat | 11/25/09
Not a failure issue  daengbo | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  frodo7199 | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  William Lakatas | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  creep144 | 11/25/09
No, Smokers need motivation, and you're not a "victim".  MacintoshKat | 11/25/09
Deleted (nt)  pico_D | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  kb244 | 11/25/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  drouin@... | 11/25/09
Wow  stewymelb | 11/26/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  dazzled and dazed | 11/26/09
What next?  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 11/26/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  dejannenov | 11/26/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  xmundox | 11/26/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  tedkurtz@... | 11/26/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  grinder48186 | 11/26/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  thammr | 11/26/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  marpincan@... | 11/26/09
Apparently you've never worked on smoker's PC's...  rx7racer | 11/26/09
Your post reeks of ignorance . . .  acad2kman | 11/26/09
acad2kman, No ,actually your post reeks!  derekgore | 11/26/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  septroth | 11/26/09
septroth, do your own research!  derekgore | 11/26/09
@ jperlow  Trendymoose | 11/26/09
OSHA?  Trendymoose | 11/26/09
hateful and fascist. That dog won't hunt.  Opcom_ | 11/27/09
@opcon ^5  Trendymoose | 11/27/09
I like your style...  Barry ZA | 11/27/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  JRude | 11/27/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  Morphyous | 11/28/09
Off-Base  reimundg@... | 11/28/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  whizzzbangcrackboombam | 11/29/09
What A Real Red Herring!  Cardhu | 11/29/09
Cardhu  derekgore | 11/30/09
Cardhu, bogus!  derekgore | 12/02/09
Smog Is Another Red Herring  Cardhu | 12/04/09
Well, No.  UsernameRequired | 11/30/09
I love smokers and animal lovers that never dust a PC  Randalllind | 11/29/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  JohnBB | 11/30/09
Where is the bio-hazard?  JohnBB | 11/30/09
From a non-smoker, Just a wriggle out of responsibility for Corp America  invmgr@... | 11/30/09
Corporate responsibility is whose?  richardw66 | 12/03/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  JimboNobody | 11/30/09
Just an opportunity for bloggers to miss the point  richardw66 | 12/03/09
RE: For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple  richvball44 | 12/11/09
Pet owners should be subject to these same condiditions  DanLM | 12/23/09
This post was brought to you by  DanLM | 12/23/09
Irrelevant either way  Cardhu | 01/12/10

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