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August 4th, 2008

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista

Posted by Jason Perlow @ 2:52 pm

Categories: Desktop, Linux, Microsoft, Open Source, Personal Technology, Software Infrastructure, VMWare, Virtualization

Tags: Mozilla Firefox, Microsoft Windows XP, Microsoft Windows Vista, Rachel, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Web Browsers, Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows, Software, Internet

strangeglove-vista.jpgThe Mother-in-law versus Vista battle cold war never ends. Every week, it’s something different that goes wrong that brings us to the brink of annihilation, and I have to swoop in on the weekends to fix the inevitable new problem that comes up. Fortunately, I have the system more or less stabilized, and I finally figured what was going wrong with her Multiple Listing System printing out all sorts of HTML garbage issue. You care about how I figured it out, right? No? Well, too bad.

You see, being as protective and sensitive to virus and spyware issues that I am, I installed Mozilla Firefox on mom’s laptop, in addition to a virus scanner and spyware sweeping software and some other general crapware cleaning utilities. This has always been my standard operating procedure on my own XP systems, which I maintain primarily now as VM’s running on my servers. Naturally, I carried forward the same methodology to mom’s Windows Vista laptop.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

When I installed Firefox, I answered the following question when prompted - “Use Firefox as the default system browser?” - naturally, I answered yes. Unbeknownst to me, with this single click of a mouse, I screwed up mom’s line of business application.

You see, as it pertains to Vista, when you do this, a number of default file associations get set in the registry to use Firefox instead of Internet Explorer 7. While this may not affect a lot of web sites, it did happen to affect Garden State MLS, the main web site she uses. I had to do a lot of Googling to find out just exactly why this was happening, but eventually, the solution to this problem was  “Uninstall Firefox”. EDIT: Oh, I tried the expected path of using Control Panel and fixing the file associations in the GUI. Didn’t work.

On her previous XP machine, I had her using Firefox and IE 7 for different uses. IE 7 for GSMLS, because it was an IE-only site, and Firefox for her other uses. Everything worked fine, and I even had Firefox set as her default browser. Spyware and Virii were kept at bay, and everyone was happy. But clearly, when installed on Windows Vista, the application installation and registry interaction clearly does not behave the same. Granted, her older box used Firefox 2.0.0.14 and the new one 3.0, but when I regression tested 3.0 as the default browser on my own XP systems and with the GSMLS site, it worked just fine. The problem reproduced itself on a Vista VM running on my ESX 3i box and on my father in law’s new Acer laptop running Vista Basic. So this is clearly an issue that only manifests itself on Vista.

I had thought I had finally isolated all my Vista woes until this last week. My wife’s PC, a HP XW4100 workstation, a dual 3.0ghz Pentium 4 system, is starting to show its sign of age. I recently upgraded it to 2GB of RAM so she could use her DVD Slideshow maker program and Blurb for making self-published photo albums, both of which are very CPU and memory intensive. Her copy of XP is also starting to exhibit signs of 2 year crotch rot, which means it’s facing a re-install.

I decided rather than to re-install the old box with XP, that I would order a new PC and recycle her old machine as a Linux test box or NAS server. COSTCO, as it turns out, is running a nice system on sale, a DELL 4GB SDRAM Intel Core2 Quad with 500GB hard drive, sans monitors, for $599  which is preloaded with Vista Premium. As much as I wanted to get Lenovos, these particular Dells ended up being cheaper than my own corporate discount for an equivalent machine, so I picked one of these up for myself. Rachel is going to get my current Taiwanese Frankenstein special ASUS M2N-based machine with an Athlon X2 5000+ with 4GB RAM and whatever other spare parts I throw into it, with a fresh XP SP3 install. No need to make my wife suffer with Vista when her current environment works fine.

I, on the other hand, will image the Vista install that comes with the box, throw a second 500GB hard disk in it, re-initialize the drives, run RAID, and install Ubuntu as my primary OS. Vista can sit sandboxed on a 4GB VM on Hyper-V or ESX 3i where it belongs on my server. Keep that evil beast in its cage!

Have you finally submitted to Vista as your post-apocalyptic zombie overlord or are you seeking refuge in your XP SP3 or Linux bomb shelter? Talk Back and let me know.

Jason PerlowJason Perlow is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista
Vista is very good.

I always try the latest Ubuntu and SUSE but they always disapoint and I go back to Windows. I have used OS 10.0 to 10.4 but it feels dumbed down and the dock slows me down.... (Read the rest)
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in its cage where it belongs  anonymousx2 | 08/04/08
try xp drivers  bananatwinkie | 08/05/08
I bought vista 64x business only for one application - it is on dual boot  coffee junky | 08/05/08
wireless and flash cards  stuoutlaw1@... | 08/11/08
Kubuntu on main desktop ...  MisterMiester | 08/04/08
Not here!  daMan25 | 08/05/08
Well ..  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
If you cant....  judgesinel@... | 08/05/08
Don't try to run old software?  Isocrates | 08/05/08
Please read the post ...  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
Not here either!  Northlite | 08/06/08
Malware virus and Trojans  Crestview | 08/05/08
Lions, tiger and bears  Spiritusindomit@... | 08/05/08
Blame the Victim?  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
Yes. Yes it is.  Sleeper Service | 08/05/08
It never ceases to amaze me ...  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
Reading comp?  laura.b | 08/05/08
Read the title of the original post ...  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
Caveat emptor  Sleeper Service | 08/05/08
take advantage of the tools...  jlafitte | 08/06/08
Yes, actually  laura.b | 08/05/08
Once again ...  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
That's how it works in Windows too.  ye | 08/05/08
Thanks ...  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
DON'T Run As Administrator or in Administrator Group  PMC-CON | 08/05/08
Should be the default ...  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
@MisterM -- IE7 in Protected Mode IS the Default in Vista!  PMC-CON | 08/05/08
Sorry ...  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
@MisterMiester: Whether it's installed on your systems or not is irrelevent  ye | 08/06/08
@ye - Vista wasn't even part of the thread ...  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
@MisterMiester: It makes no sense to say they should fix it...  ye | 08/06/08
@ye -XP is really dead?  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
@MisterMiester : Perhaps you could read the entire sentence instead...  ye | 08/06/08
@ye - You make no sense ...  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
@MisterMiester: Just because something is still sold and supported...  ye | 08/06/08
@ye - Once again ...  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
@MisterMiester: Once again:  ye | 08/06/08
@ye - "Fixed" in Vista is Irrelevant ...  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
@MisterMiester: I don't disagree this could have been addressed in XP.  ye | 08/06/08
Technically your comparing apples and oranges  alaniane@... | 08/06/08
Apples and Oranges?  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
So right...finally somebody intelligent  Predator106 | 09/01/08
Re:Malware virus and Trojans  IBMpreferred | 08/05/08
Doesn't have Vista on his machines...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
Drama?  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
Yes.  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
Hey Sleeper ...  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
No thanks, MM...  Sleeper Service | 08/07/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  chrispcade | 08/04/08
Vista n ease of networking !! sucks !!  mariyajohn@... | 08/05/08
Not really  Spiritusindomit@... | 08/05/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  spywarebiz@... | 08/04/08
Transferring from XP to Vista a disaster -p help  warogren@... | 08/05/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  Solid Jedi Knight | 08/04/08
I agree  j.e.taylor@... | 08/05/08
I agree.  deowll | 08/07/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  chromeronin | 08/04/08
Mr Cool  j.e.taylor@... | 08/05/08
Message has been deleted.  MIKEC0X | 08/04/08
You're right, but...  dcoaster | 08/04/08
I prefer black and white films and ...  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/04/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  beoz | 08/04/08
I also bought a Dell preloaded with Vista . . . What a disaster.  Basic Logic | 08/04/08
You DEGRADED to XP.  bananatwinkie | 08/05/08
Rejection is a Valid Customer Choice  Cardhu | 08/05/08
After two months of Vista, I had enough  wackoae | 08/04/08
I suggest you...  Sleeper Service | 08/05/08
Why does he have to know what he's doing?  storm14k | 08/05/08
Who are you to say that?  dreampainter | 08/05/08
Perhaps because you and they didn't try and "fix" Vista.  ye | 08/05/08
How Many Friends Are You Speaking Of?  Cardhu | 08/05/08
To be blunt: I don't believe you. At least try to be believable.  ye | 08/05/08
keep in mind  rtk | 08/05/08
My Testimony  Cardhu | 08/06/08
@Cardhu: I have no doubt you work with a lot of people.  ye | 08/06/08
ye: you must be a particularly antisocial person.  james.faction | 08/06/08
The Easiest Thing To See Is Your Own Expectations  Cardhu | 08/06/08
Complete crazy talk. It doesn't jibe with the facts  Cayble | 08/08/08
Vista License Distributions  Cardhu | 08/08/08
Does that then mean...  wolf_z | 08/05/08
Does that then mean...  POPPA G | 08/05/08
Not according to the MS fans...  storm14k | 08/05/08
Bull  Real World | 08/05/08
The end user doesn't have to tweak.  ye | 08/05/08
You assume far too much.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
Interesting.  rtk | 08/05/08
So...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
@jperlow: I assume too much? Let's examine what I said:  ye | 08/06/08
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incorrect  rtk | 08/05/08
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Disk Defragmentation tool present and accounted for...  dreampainter | 08/05/08
OEM preload variation  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
Do you have supporting evidence for that?  wolf_z | 08/05/08
Not the build  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
It's not *in* a menu  wolf_z | 08/05/08
Well, for what its worth  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
Funny I keep hearing how MS dictates everything to OEMs.  ye | 08/05/08
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not only...  gnesterenko | 08/06/08
slight correction  rtk | 08/06/08
ME's instability was all drivers  Crestview | 08/05/08
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oops  CobraA1 | 08/06/08
after a year + with Vista its the only way to go  tech_walker | 08/04/08
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It could be worse.  Salonikios | 08/05/08
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Hey, its not a foregone conclusion  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
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Pro and Con  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
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Its about the same as the pro-MS articles...(nt)  storm14k | 08/05/08
What's worse is he installed Firefox...  ye | 08/05/08
whats worse  ferrit@... | 08/05/08
I Agree With You On This  PMC-CON | 08/05/08
I don't recall having said Firefox was crap.  ye | 08/05/08
You Wrote ...  PMC-CON | 08/05/08
"Crap" was in reference to the folllowing:  ye | 08/06/08
I use Vista since January 2007: it runs great!  qmlscycrajg | 08/05/08
I'm running Vista 64 bit, works fine.  CobraA1 | 08/05/08
Ongoing Vista Issues  Chad_z | 08/05/08
Better fit with Linux ...  MisterMiester | 08/05/08
except  rtk | 08/05/08
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Three other words for you  rtk | 08/07/08
True To Your Form  Cardhu | 08/08/08
The substance of my point  rtk | 08/08/08
I Provided The Substance  Cardhu | 08/08/08
Cradhu...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
Still no good after 18 months  marchatfield@... | 08/06/08
Ok...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
Worse Than A Fiat X1/9!  Cardhu | 08/07/08
It's "Cardhu."  Cardhu | 08/07/08
LOL at Firefox  CreepinJesus | 08/05/08
LOL at You  n0neXn0ne | 08/05/08
Sorry, Don't Have Time For This Crap  itanalyst2@... | 08/05/08
Then good night...nt  ItsTheBottomLine | 08/05/08
What about?  Salonikios | 08/05/08
Love is relative.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
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re: So FireFox staff needed more time on the Microsoft campus ...  n0neXn0ne | 08/05/08
zzzzzzzzzzz nt  ItsTheBottomLine | 08/05/08
Tinkering is a foregone conclusion  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
Which, of course, aren't necessary  wolf_z | 08/05/08
Turning off some services is a good idea.  Anton Philidor | 08/05/08
Turning Off UAC == True Amateur  PMC-CON | 08/05/08
Or better yet,  rtk | 08/05/08
Microsoft can get smart and turn out focused flavors  mead.rose@... | 08/05/08
Weak argument, repectfully  shhoward@... | 08/05/08
RE: ! a Weak argument, repectfully  n0neXn0ne | 08/05/08
Same UI?  jmorgus@... | 08/05/08
RE: Why I STILL Worry and Hate Windows Vista  tcole@... | 08/05/08
Your logic is backward here  de-void | 08/05/08
Excepting  seanferd | 08/05/08
Reducing Vrashes and Security Holes With Driver Model Changes  PMC-CON | 08/05/08
Vrashes == Crashes of course (nt)  PMC-CON | 08/05/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  POPPA G | 08/05/08
VISTA  Woodyboy | 08/05/08
Quick note on the real estate industry...  Spiritusindomit@... | 08/05/08
Microsoft proudly took credit for the advancement of computers  Ole Man | 08/05/08
Absolutely!  Spiritusindomit@... | 08/05/08
Even with your disclaimer, he's apt to think  xuniL_z | 08/05/08
Seriously, not so satirical  Ole Man | 08/05/08
OK, It Was IBM and OS/2 Who Were the Geniuses ...  PMC-CON | 08/05/08
Actually...  gnesterenko | 08/06/08
Well Hallelujah!  Ole Man | 08/06/08
Well you will certainly get a lot of hits with this title...  ItsTheBottomLine | 08/05/08
2 year XP crotch rot?  john.lellis@... | 08/05/08
We're not talking about corporate managed systems  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
Funny, cause  gnesterenko | 08/06/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  ferrit@... | 08/05/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  jlafitte | 08/05/08
Yes, it does come up on XP  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
When the application is browser-specific...  jlafitte | 08/06/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  greenfrogy@... | 08/05/08
You seem computer savy.......  judgesinel@... | 08/05/08
Quote of the day  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/05/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  juan.toro@... | 08/05/08
You're late to the discussion.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
Typical Vista Fanboi responses  chemist109 | 08/05/08
LOL! The article clearly shows the problem was with...  ye | 08/05/08
MY one-year and a half old laptop runs Vista fine  jlafitte | 08/06/08
Web site works in Linux + Firefox  davidr69 | 08/05/08
Uh, you're a realtor and you signed in?  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
Uh!  Alan(UK) | 08/05/08
It appears that Jason messed up...  ye | 08/05/08
There's nothing wrong with her computer.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
I think that I am beginning to get it.  Alan(UK) | 08/06/08
Actually...  Sleeper Service | 08/06/08
I "accuse you of incompetence" because...  ye | 08/06/08
UAC  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/06/08
Just One Tiny Example  Cardhu | 08/09/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  elliottxp | 08/05/08
The "Vista Curse"  medeng@... | 08/05/08
update everything  gnesterenko | 08/06/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  mwagner@... | 08/05/08
RE: How I WILL NEVER Learn to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  cne@... | 08/05/08
Are You Then a CONVERT?  PMC-CON | 08/05/08
Vista thoughts - End user opinion vs. IT support  ZZedmonds@... | 08/05/08
Firefox Addon  grandadmiralmcb@... | 08/05/08
Problem is directly related to Firefox Overriding IE File Associations  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/05/08
I run mac for a reason.  bendib | 08/05/08
Too Many Drugs? Or Off Your Drugs Completely  PMC-CON | 08/05/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  lagunasrfr | 08/05/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  dgjacquin | 08/05/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  j.e.taylor@... | 08/05/08
Making Relatives Use Linux. Been There, Done That.  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/06/08
you act like a tech guy but you seem to have so many problems running a  SO.CAL Guy | 08/05/08
Linux is not comparible to MS yet...  judgesinel@... | 08/05/08
"Old" is relative and Vista upgrades to "older" software  Isocrates | 08/06/08
64-bit Ubuntu and VirtualBox running WinXP  rogerv | 08/05/08
I like Vista  owen35ny | 08/06/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  owen35ny | 08/06/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  owen35ny | 08/06/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  owen35ny | 08/06/08
Stroies from my Dad's apple  owen35ny | 08/06/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  owen35ny | 08/06/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  owen35ny | 08/06/08
Multiple Posts  stillgolfing | 08/06/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  gnesterenko | 08/06/08
Mother should have told you  Chiatzu | 08/06/08
Wrong thread ...  MisterMiester | 08/06/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  USNSPARKS@... | 08/06/08
Gasoline for Vista  frj111@... | 08/06/08
HILTSWALWV  USNSPARKS@... | 08/09/08
Now we know why Vista sucks.  Dr_Zinj | 08/06/08
Yeah, but did you...  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 08/06/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  esky997@... | 08/07/08
One of the weirdest things I have ever read  Cayble | 08/08/08
Yours Is A Strawman Misrepresentation  Cardhu | 08/09/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  lryman2000 | 08/08/08
Re: Censored  Cardhu | 08/09/08
Well said!  stillgolfing | 08/09/08
Its not just you  lryman2000 | 08/10/08
???  stillgolfing | 08/10/08
Excellent Reply  Cardhu | 08/13/08
How presumptous of you!  Ole Man | 08/10/08
Please Post Correctly! I t's two choices: REPLY TO STORY or REPLY TO POST.  stillgolfing | 08/10/08
Correct Posting  Isocrates | 08/11/08
@ stillgolfing.... my post was not directed at you  Ole Man | 08/11/08
Apologies  stillgolfing | 08/14/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  leon.barton@... | 08/09/08
No such word as "virii"  Bob G Beechey | 08/10/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  notsofast | 08/10/08
Too bad your psychology doesn't work  Ole Man | 08/10/08
NOT a Vista problem.  Comnenus | 08/11/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  jimmy.cyc | 08/11/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  Richard Flude | 08/12/08
Roll your own and Vista x64  midfingr | 08/14/08
Congratulations, midfingr  Ole Man | 08/14/08
It's Not FUD To Report Complaints  Cardhu | 08/15/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista  andrewjg | 09/22/08

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