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October 7th, 2008

Forget the damn Linux netbooks. Can Windows replace Windows?

Posted by Jason Perlow @ 7:49 pm

Categories: Business, Desktop, Hardware Infrastructure, Linux, Microsoft, Open Source, Software Infrastructure

Tags: MSI, Linux, Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, UNIX, Open Source, Software, Jason Perlow

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My esteemed ZDNet colleague Ed Bott, God bless him, wrote a very insightful piece in which he discusses Taiwanese PC mainboard and component manufacturer  MSIs challenges of selling Linux-based versions of their netbook, the Wind U90. Apparently, according to MSI, Linux-based versions of their netbook are returned at a rate of four to one compared to Windows-based versions of the same model.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

Now, I don’t have much experience with the Wind. In fact, I’ve never seen one in the wild, and I work with a lot of geeks and jet-setters that own netbooks as secondary computing devices. Guess what? Most of them are Asus Eee PCs running on the built-in and netbook tweaked version of Xandros, which is a highly Windows-like and newbie-friendly Linux distribution, unlike the SuSE Linux installed on the U90. And believe me, I’m a big time OpenSuSE  fan, as our own Community, Incorporated blogger and Mr. SuSE Joe Brockmeier  can attest  – but at this stage in the distro’s development I think it’s about as suitable for netbooks as Solaris 10  is as an embedded OS for DVRs or smart phones (read as “not suitable”). MSI needs to think about doing a better job with tweaking their end-user experience on these devices if they are having all these Linux netbook return problems. It’s not a “Linux user acceptance” problem. The product as it is currently marketed and implemented obviously needs some work.

Saying that the Linux version of the Wind U90 gets returned more frequently than its Windows counterpart when ignoring the highly successful sales figures of the Linux-based Asus Eee PC is sort of like saying the Microsoft Zune is the second-best selling portable digital music player while ignoring the fact that the Apple sells like what, like a hundred times or a thousand times more more iPods? What is this, a freakin’ Presidential debate when we conveniently leave critical facts out in order to support a highly flawed ideological position?

Look, lets forget the damn Linux netbooks for a moment and concentrate on the more important issues – What is going to be the best and most value-added choice for an end-user OS going into the next decade, accepting the fact that all of us are going to be tightening our belts at least for the next several years? If we could all afford to spend twice as much on hardware and were willing to put up with all the proprietary and platform-restrictive gotchas that go along with the Macintosh, I’d say the answer should probably be Mac OS X. But we can’t all afford to buy Macs, and we certainly can’t all afford to buy new software licenses every time Microsoft spins a new version of Windows. If Windows Vista’s “success” is any indication, I have my doubts if the next version of “Windows” can replace Windows, let alone Linux.

The big question: Can Linux replace Windows? Well, ask the Atlanta Public School district, which is deploying 25,000 Linux thin-client terminals in its classrooms as a result of a successful pilot of 2200 Linux terminals in 7 schools. Ask companies like Ndiyo who have successfully deployed pilots in 3rd-world countries in educational environments and Internet cafes.  Ask the Ubuntu project which can genuinely claim millions of downloads of its free end-user OS.

Is there a learning curve? Yes. Will Linux take some getting used to? Absolutely. But when faced with the choice of adding several hundred to a thousand dollars worth of TCO on the top of a PC versus getting virtually all of their equivalent key functionality for free, especially in this new austerity budget economy, I think people will be a bit more motivated to adapt to change.

Will the economy force end-users to reconsider their OS acceptance thresholds? Does Linux suddenly start to taste better when times are tough? Talk Back and let me know.

Jason PerlowJason Perlow is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?
You need to get details of why it crashed and why stock exchange approved Linux for server and desktop and handheld. By the way cost dropped from 400 million to 150 million....No license fees.

By the way, New York Stock Exchange uses a Linux based infrastructure.... (Read the rest)
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bottom line  shamunda | 10/09/08
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typical of you  markbn | 10/09/08
The LSE issue may not have been averted via Linux.  B.O.F.H. | 10/09/08
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Thanks for proving him wrong  markbn | 10/10/08
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No Linux? Hah! Follow the Money!  Seamus O'Brog | 10/09/08
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how do you know  markbn | 10/09/08
@markbn - Because I went ...  MisterMiester | 10/09/08
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Markbn, why are you dodging the real issue?  bmerc | 10/10/08
Re: why are you dodging the real issue?  markbn | 10/10/08
Logical connection please!....(NT)  Update victim | 10/09/08
it's very clear  markbn | 10/09/08
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Nice ...  MisterMiester | 10/08/08
OK, sorry for calling you wacko  markbn | 10/08/08
Markbn, I will just say one thing  nilotpal_c | 10/09/08
Then, there is no hope for Desktop Linux  markbn | 10/09/08
LOL - and yes - LOL nt  USTechHead | 10/09/08
So Vista is doing well in India, is it?  nilotpal_c | 10/09/08
You did not read the post I was answering to, did you?  markbn | 10/09/08
Oh yes  nilotpal_c | 10/10/08
Time to do my good action of the day  markbn | 10/10/08
Wonderful, now try to follow your own advice  nilotpal_c | 10/10/08
YOU should follow it  markbn | 10/11/08
A few hundred viruses....  joe.smetona@... | 10/09/08
I hope  markbn | 10/09/08
Re: I hope.  joe.smetona@... | 10/09/08
use an open source AV  markbn | 10/09/08
re:re:I hope...  JABBER_WOLF | 10/09/08
It's Obvious you guys haven't used Linux.  joe.smetona@... | 10/09/08
sure  markbn | 10/09/08
Absolutely  TedKraan | 10/11/08
So  markbn | 10/11/08
A perspective from Brazil  goyta | 10/09/08
this is quite common  nothingness | 10/09/08
WOW!!! That's limited  Update victim | 10/09/08
It's not what I claim ....  MisterMiester | 10/09/08
HAHAHAHA  markbn | 10/08/08
It's true that Linux is growing...  eMJayy | 10/09/08
I don't remember having said  markbn | 10/09/08
"You don't remember..." eh?  bmerc | 10/10/08
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It is the world renowned economist DonnieBoy  GuidingLight | 10/09/08
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Microsoft accepts strategy change at the top  The Management consultant | 10/09/08
Talk about leaving out facts!  hickum | 10/07/08
Jason also seems to have left out...  Sleeper Service | 10/08/08
Hold on there....  James Quinn | 10/08/08
Actually the iPod is the best solution...  Sleeper Service | 10/08/08
You must be joking ...  MisterMiester | 10/08/08
You're confusing...  Sleeper Service | 10/08/08
I'm saying the exact same thing ...  MisterMiester | 10/08/08
Oh right.  Sleeper Service | 10/09/08
Retail Outlets.  b.bob | 10/08/08
How about Target?  MisterMiester | 10/08/08
Retail Outlets.  jeremy@... | 10/09/08
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Twisted FACTS  Update victim | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  kevinfarringer@... | 10/07/08
How much of a book do you own anyway?  Patanjali | 10/08/08
Re: How much of a book do you own anyway?  rikasa | 10/08/08
How much of a book do you own anyway? Evidently more than you!  kevinfarringer@... | 10/09/08
Own v. license  Update victim | 10/09/08
I own a book enough to lend it to a friend.  hkommedal | 10/10/08
Linux & Mac are scams to prolong Windows' monopoly!  joemartn | 10/07/08
VIley!?! Is that you?  James Quinn | 10/08/08
Conspiracy theory?  unclefixer@... | 10/09/08
Hello joemartn,  elderlybloke | 10/09/08
Well said Jason  Alan Smithie | 10/08/08
At Walmart?  Boot_Agnostic | 10/08/08
You hit another one outta the ballpark Jason!  D-T-Schmitz | 10/08/08
Well written, Jason! I completely agree. (NT)  pjotr123 | 10/08/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  wkulecz | 10/08/08
First of all...  Tim Patterson | 10/08/08
Here's My Thought  DannyO_0x98 | 10/08/08
I agree but Ed is up front.  TripleII | 10/08/08
So  markbn | 10/08/08
Thin clients don't count  wolf_z | 10/08/08
You wanna bet?  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 10/08/08
I hope he didn't think they were connected to Windows...  storm14k | 10/08/08
I don't know  Richard Flude | 10/08/08
About those CALs  SpikeyMike | 10/09/08
censorship, the IBM way  markbn | 10/09/08
Vista and Linux have the same issues ....  MisterMiester | 10/08/08
You forgot one thing: Desktop Linux sucks  markbn | 10/08/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 10/08/08
?  markbn | 10/08/08
Linux for the desktop sucks because you can't be bothered  james.faction | 10/09/08
It's not laziness  markbn | 10/09/08
Its not Linux, its the lack of driver support from hardware manufacturers  T1Oracle | 10/09/08
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??  alresave@... | 10/09/08
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What does market share have to do...  storm14k | 10/09/08
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Linux driver issue - haven't personally seen this issue out-of-the-box  FMSITDownUnder | 10/11/08
There is no FUD  markbn | 10/11/08
Live CD?  FMSITDownUnder | 10/11/08
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It depends... wink  Solid Water | 10/08/08
Yes, it depends!  markbn | 10/09/08
If Linux had a large install base compared to Windows...  kouzen | 10/09/08
Desktop Linux sucks  deowll | 10/09/08
True BUT ...  mwagner@... | 10/09/08
So let me see...  MisterMiester | 10/09/08
Exactly!!!  SpikeyMike | 10/09/08
It's not about fear...  tmcsweeney@... | 10/11/08
Types of expenses  Anton Philidor | 10/08/08
Keep your eye on the bigger picture.  TripleII | 10/08/08
Linux guys are full of ********  code_Warrior | 10/08/08
It's what you're used to.  peter_erskine@... | 10/08/08
Some researched reporting via the Guardian ...  MisterMiester | 10/08/08
Uh...  Sleeper Service | 10/08/08
And?  MisterMiester | 10/08/08
I'm aware there are many netbook variants...  Sleeper Service | 10/09/08
Now, Now ....  MisterMiester | 10/09/08
its clear the tide is changing  lordbarron | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks.  lordbarron | 10/09/08
Amen ...  MisterMiester | 10/09/08
i concur  sabayer | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  cruggeld | 10/09/08
TCO?  roberto_maietta@... | 10/09/08
Profit sharing check to MS - nothing can stop!  scott1329 | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  rmoliva@... | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  jeremy@... | 10/09/08
Total Cost of Ownership  sabayer | 10/09/08
Linux desktop (Ubuntu) works for me  robert.w.michaelson@... | 10/09/08
Another out-of-touch writer...  quasilou | 10/09/08
well...  josephmartins | 10/09/08
I hear ya...  quasilou | 10/09/08
One more thing  Mectron | 10/09/08
I think you're out of touch  storm14k | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  Modred189 | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  vger_z | 10/09/08
windows numbers...  pgit | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  Eelel | 10/09/08
What Eelel said.  GKSeifert | 10/09/08
Vista never worked properly for me. Ubuntu has been flawless.  mountmike | 10/09/08
Education is the key  Rambo Tribble | 10/09/08
Can Windows replace Windows?  mwagner@... | 10/09/08
Very well said and very good points. The XP to Vista argument is  USTechHead | 10/09/08
Myth?  storm14k | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  rnojonson@... | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  psion@... | 10/09/08
Why switch at all?  swamprob@... | 10/09/08
Interesting observation...  storm14k | 10/09/08
why switch when all i want is...  epaph | 10/09/08
Bad reporting all around...  Narg | 10/09/08
BE SERIOUS!  Axe_to_Grind | 10/09/08
Once upon a time, and not that long ago  softwareFlunky | 10/09/08
Guess when Toyota started to sell cars ...  MisterMiester | 10/09/08
Guess when Unix got started ...  softwareFlunky | 10/09/08
Damn straight.  MisterMiester | 10/09/08
It's Hilarious ....  MisterMiester | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  kitko | 10/09/08
lol  epaph | 10/09/08
My budget Can Handle less than $20/year  johnnylumber | 10/09/08
Let's look at it this way ...  MisterMiester | 10/09/08
Its more simple.  magallanes | 10/09/08
You think you need to spend ...  MisterMiester | 10/09/08
RE:Why switch at all!  clareJ | 10/09/08
As a software developer...  SpikeyMike | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  Update victim | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can "Windows" replace Windows?  chessmen | 10/09/08
No.  Spiritusindomit@... | 10/09/08
Of COURSE the Micro$haft Trolls Have Swooped In, McBush-Palin Like  drprodny | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  vince.sesto@... | 10/09/08
Hello unemployment  tonymcs@... | 10/09/08
If I wanted to pay for an OS I'd just get XP Home  johnnydoe1894 | 10/09/08
Remember, Apple tried this  Crestview | 10/09/08
Applications  n2add@... | 10/09/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks.  zeke123 | 10/09/08
Linux replacing Windows?  unclefixer@... | 10/09/08
W vs L... again...  kingmph@... | 10/09/08
Good point  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 10/10/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  ole.handeland@... | 10/09/08
Are you "sponsored"?  ghost1207@... | 10/10/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ???Windows??? replace Windows?  rcarlsonherps | 10/10/08
Drivers and distros  Alganon | 10/11/08
yep.. I betcha  Hobyx | 10/10/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  jfreedle2@... | 10/11/08
Productivity.  stan@... | 10/11/08
RE: Leaving out /ignoring Facts  notsofast | 10/12/08
check your numbers.... and try Linux  edgreywolf | 10/14/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  Harvey the Rabbit | 10/13/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  todbran@... | 10/13/08
I think markbn....  todbran@... | 10/13/08
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  mlindl | 10/13/08
No more MS TAX windows, office, etc  edgreywolf | 10/14/08
Quick Story!  jamesk.bridges@... | 10/30/08
Linux in Public Schools - It Works!!  iverylm@... | 11/03/09
RE: Forget the damn netbooks. Can ??????Windows?????? replace Windows?  iverylm@... | 11/03/09

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