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March 9th, 2009

Extreme PCs and "Homebrewing": Rest in Peace

Posted by Jason Perlow @ 8:36 am

Categories: Business, Desktop, General, Hardware Infrastructure

Tags: PC, Desktops, Hardware, Jason Perlow

A $16,000 custom “Extreme PC” built by Puget Systems. Will custom, home-brew systems go the way of the Dodo or the Duesenberg with the retreating economy? Photo: TomsHardware.com

Being a technology writer in times like these can be difficult.

In the glory days, everyone had lots of disposable income, and those of us who called ourselves “PC Enthusiasts” thought nothing of doing complete hardware refreshes every six months to keep up with the technology. A new motherboard and processor (or two) here, a new graphics card there, a double or quadruple RAM upgrade another month… Bigger.. better.. faster… you get the picture.

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Those of us who were of the “Extreme” hobbyist or PC homebrewer persuasion — those of us who weren’t content to buy systems in a box from a major PC vendor would read websites and publications like Tom’s Hardware, ExtremeTech, AnandTech and until recently the mighty PC Magazine, which in late 2008 folded its magazine publication after 26 years in print and retreated like the rest of us to the web. Maximum PC appears to be one of the last print bastions of PC hobbyism, although it’s been a while since I analyzed its content for true homebrew-goodness.

It’s been a long time since I myself have “built” a system from the ground up using OEM parts. Like I do with 12-packs of chicken breasts and cases of toilet paper, I now buy my computers from COSTCO in barebones configurations. If I need to tweak the hardware for better performance,  I shop on the Internet for modest upgrades. While some of my friends are still hardcore system builders, I firmly believe that the build-your-own practice will become a lost art form, and that it will not survive the economy. Oh, the white box Taiwanese OEMs will exist, such as ASUS, MSI and and TYAN, but they’ll be making cheap consumer devices and netbooks, and acting as contract manufacturers for the big name PC manufacturers — at least the big names that will still exist 2 or 3 years from now.

Also Read: Der Frankenputer, A Last Hurrah at System Building

I find it particularly obscene when PR agencies and independent systems vendors contact me about “Extreme” systems you can still buy. I’m not pointing fingers here, but one chap over at Puget Systems — a respected custom systems builder — wanted me to know about a $16,000 PC a private individual ordered from them and if it was something that would interest my readers.

I was not amused. I told this pleasant PR guy that “Extreme” PCs are no longer relevant. There’s no market for them, and the “Extreme” publications that write about them are really no more useful or realistic than hardcore pornography. The chances of your Average Paycheck Joe going out and buying a $5000 and up system is about as hopeful as a 400 pound dumpy-looking guy trying to find a date with a supermodel, or actually believing he can have relations with the women he sees pictures of in Hustler or Penthouse.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I happen to think real pornography is healthy. This is something that addresses our base biological urges. “Extreme PC” publications? Not so much. And while I’m playing holier-than-thou, ZDNet is no exception — our own Hardware 2.0 blogger’s peice on a 1250 watt PC power supply struck me as equally retarded today. But I can’t really blame Adrian, he has a hardware column to write about.

So where is this industry going? Just this week alone, two of my friends, both highly skilled systems integration professionals with large technology companies, as well as a close member of my family, a real estate attorney, lost their jobs. I frequently wake up in the morning scratching my head wondering if anything I write about really matters when we have problems this huge affecting so many people. It almost seems that writing about technology at any level in this day in age that isn’t related to how you can cut costs is no longer relevant. New processors? More cores? Faster graphics cards? Improved versions of Windows? Who gives a crap anymore.

So are the PC hobbyist sites dead? If they continue to publish the same fantasy porn and don’t start putting out some practical advice, I think we’ll soon be writing their epitaphs, just as we did for PC Magazine and other venerable print pubs for the PC industry that went before it.

The new “Extreme” will be “Miserly”. What system gives you the best bang for the buck? What system components conserve the most amount of power? Who makes the cheapest and best netbook for the money? How can you best make do with what you have now? Where are the best places to dumpster dive? How do you get in on asset liquidations?

Extreme PCs and Homebrewing are dead. And with this proclamation, I really hope I’m wrong. Talk Back and Let Me Know.

Jason PerlowJason Perlow is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Get with it Jason.
You really shouldn't post when you are so down.
The world economy is cyclical and always has been.
What goes down will eventually come back up and climb past the prior high... (Read the rest)
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Feast for free with your old PC  pjotr123 | 03/09/09
It was lack of disposable income  GuidingLight | 03/09/09
Margins  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/09/09
Well . . .  CobraA1 | 03/09/09
Hmmm  DiZastur | 03/10/09
Except a home brew is more likely to work...  BillDem | 07/02/09
Except A Home Brew...  rMatey | 07/02/09
Except a home brew is more likely to work  MoeFugger | 07/03/09
I don't really get it.  Cayble | 08/18/09
You can still save and get more if you build it yourself  rolnmrbl@... | 03/10/09
Not Necessarily  ksarkies@... | 03/11/09
depends  jeffk464 | 08/22/09
Nope  syfr | 03/11/09
Wrong  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
It is the SAME hardware  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/11/09
You Really Are Clueless  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
Do not presume or assume  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/11/09
These aren't the pieces I purchase.  rdhalsteatzd | 08/15/09
Yep  big red one | 03/11/09
Indeed  spyro17@... | 03/12/09
Velocity Micro is the name to own for today.  rtirman37@... | 03/12/09
add this to my reply below.  jscstew@... | 03/20/09
un-extreme pc  jeffk464 | 08/22/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  malcolm@... | 03/09/09
I agree  bvonr@... | 03/10/09
Same here  eMJayy | 03/10/09
Homebrew for me is Quality Control and Staged Upgrading  Drakaran | 03/11/09
You in my reply meaning Jason, not eMJayy -nt  Drakaran | 03/11/09
A similar revelation  oncall | 03/09/09
Not true at all.  ShadeTree | 03/10/09
RE:Not true at all.  therealbondt@... | 03/10/09
Over reliance on PC fools...  LeeC | 03/10/09
Fewer Games for PC  ceh4702 | 03/11/09
Not All Of Us Are Kids  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
Driving force  oncall | 03/12/09
*snicker*  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/12/09
Was that an argument?  oncall | 03/12/09
Actually...  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/12/09
Wow...  EarFix | 04/28/09
I also noticed  oncall | 03/12/09
The Point Is  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/12/09
I disagree  itpro_z | 03/09/09
Then you actually agree with him.  TripleII | 03/09/09
Or not  itpro_z | 03/09/09
On that I agree.  TripleII | 03/09/09
Ah, yes. The WMP54G...  eMJayy | 03/10/09
I got these drivers  hrpuffnstuff | 03/12/09
Agree 100%...nt  USTechHead | 03/10/09
Gaming != retarderly expensive  tikigawd | 03/10/09
re: Gaming != retarderly expensive  cbradshaw@... | 03/10/09
There Are Other Gaming Options To Consider As Well  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
It all depends on what you like  tikigawd | 03/17/09
retarderly expensive  jeffk464 | 08/22/09
Agreed  djchandler | 03/10/09
what a load of bollocks  Kaiwai | 03/10/09
Gateway never went bankrupt.  ShadeTree | 03/10/09
Not necessarily so, by building the system  alaniane@... | 03/10/09
See reply to TripleII below  djchandler | 03/10/09
AMEN! I usually find that ...  USTechHead | 03/10/09
government excess?  crawdoogie@... | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  JJ Brannon | 03/09/09
It's not about dispoable income!  mwagner@... | 03/09/09
It's not about resale either.  CobraA1 | 03/09/09
Agreed. Building as a reseller is dead  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 03/09/09
True enough, if "build-it-yourself" is a hobby.  mwagner@... | 03/11/09
No, it's not about resale ...  mwagner@... | 03/11/09
RE: Core 2 quad  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 03/12/09
I'm not dead yet!  jonbach | 03/09/09
I feel for you  Speednet | 03/11/09
I Agree With This Post -nt-  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
Just as the world buys complete automobiles.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/09/09
people made cars?  Col Mustard | 03/09/09
Kit Cars  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/09/09
Oh REALLY?????  Dr_Zinj | 03/10/09
Of course he was ...  mwagner@... | 03/11/09
Still Wrong  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
I've been in IT for 29 years ...  mwagner@... | 03/11/09
Yeah, EVERYONE Online...  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
RE: off-the-shelf systems  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 03/12/09
run at the mouth=?  EarFix | 04/28/09
I don't care if you have been in it since day one and invented the PC.  Cayble | 07/02/09
Cost Effective is a relative term  Dr_Zinj | 03/12/09
Hot rodders, from street to net,  Otis Driftwood | 04/06/09
Automotivations  dszimmer | 03/10/09
Good point although  T1Oracle | 03/10/09
@T1oracle  Otis Driftwood | 04/06/09
Changes in technology = Opportunity  Dr_Zinj | 04/16/09
Wow...You Really Haven't A Clue  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
Homebuilt Ferarri  Otis Driftwood | 04/06/09
Just put Linux on homebrewed PC  Linux Geek | 03/09/09
Not likely  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/09/09
But most of us provide our own support.  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 03/09/09
Warranties; The new protection racket  fletchoid | 03/12/09
RE: Warranties  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 03/13/09
Linux support is free  T1Oracle | 03/10/09
Linux support is not "free" for everybody  mwagner@... | 03/11/09
Very True...For Computer Illiterates  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
Not to mention that ...  mwagner@... | 03/11/09
I agree  djchandler | 03/10/09
Extreme may be dying - but system building is not dying and not dead.  CobraA1 | 03/09/09
Pornography  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/09/09
Murder has been around that long too  CobraA1 | 03/09/09
Yes, but unless you're the Joker  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/09/09
If the joker is real, would that make murder morally good?  CobraA1 | 03/09/09
Morality, like art, is in the eye of the beholder.  mwagner@... | 03/11/09
It's Not That Simple  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
Shrunken heads was considered an artform  alaniane@... | 03/10/09
Theft  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/10/09
Actually theft has been condoned in many societies  alaniane@... | 03/10/09
It's not theft if it's the rich who are stealing....  EarFix | 04/28/09
. . . and now that I think of it . . .  CobraA1 | 03/10/09
Are you really equating...  JonA_z | 03/10/09
No, he's equating the durability  alaniane@... | 03/10/09
You missed the point.  CobraA1 | 03/10/09
Nice litany  frgough | 03/09/09
Rotted?  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/09/09
Who says we're morally superior  frgough | 03/10/09
That's one interpretation of history  JonA_z | 03/10/09
Porn/slavery  Col Mustard | 03/09/09
ridiculous  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/09/09
Porn/Slavery  Hate Malware | 07/02/09
really?  Badgered | 03/10/09
Porn  jackdeth@... | 03/10/09
You Idiots Are Missing The Point  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
Who defines "right" and "proper" ...  mwagner@... | 03/11/09
Rome  Otis Driftwood | 04/06/09
Amazing...........  Budman o Riverside | 07/05/09
Extreme PCs  ddg4005 | 08/13/09
The price of windows killed me from building  Randalllind | 03/09/09
On the other hand...  bswiss | 03/09/09
Re; On the other hand  Col Mustard | 03/09/09
There are more than one idiots that would say it...  LeeC | 03/10/09
I've used both OSs for many years.  bswiss | 03/10/09
*sigh* Children, Children...  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
The Munich project fell behind ...  mwagner@... | 03/11/09
You *are* behind the times, aren't you?  bswiss | 03/12/09
Paying Money?!  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
RE: Extreme PCs  gmclean | 03/09/09
Buildling my own PC's  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/09/09
Ooooooh, a glue gun.... wow!!!  LeeC | 03/10/09
Nice job putting it into the right words  Speednet | 03/11/09
So...  djchandler | 03/10/09
Grey Beard  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/11/09
RE: Building Extreme PCs  wolflight | 07/21/09
The inverse Moore's law of applications is no more.  TripleII | 03/09/09
So do a little labor and save $100.00  djchandler | 03/10/09
Less shipping and tax?  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/11/09
Not If You Enjoy Doing It  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
This article has nothing to do with enjoyment  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/11/09
The Article Has Everything To Do With Enjoyment  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
I fail to see  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/11/09
Extreme PCs may be gone...  meechp123 | 03/09/09
History repeats itself  colin@... | 03/09/09
While I've still got a pulse, I will not stop  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 03/09/09
Actually With Nano and Pico ITX...  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
Another factor  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/09/09
Maybe we need to refocus...  tokalion | 03/09/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  perversion2003@... | 03/09/09
PC makers offer 1 year warranties...BUT...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 03/09/09
Not usually true  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/09/09
...well...I don't know where you shop, BUT...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 03/10/09
Pornography  frgough | 03/09/09
Biological Urges  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/09/09
Which, of course, explains  frgough | 03/10/09
Obsession with pornography is ...  mwagner@... | 03/11/09
This is a joke, right?  Dorkyman | 03/09/09
Statistics? Open your eyes because  moralesjl15@... | 03/10/09
Now this is what I call homebrew  Alan Smithie | 03/10/09
re: Now this is what I call homebrew  cbradshaw@... | 03/10/09
Regardless of the economy...  Comnenus | 03/10/09
You should still build your own  sorahl@... | 03/10/09
Build for quality - that's an "extreme" idea  IAFarm2 | 03/10/09
exactly, build it yourself  mdunakin13 | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  janeadct@... | 03/10/09
Chicken Breast Upgrades?  cgarrett | 03/10/09
Better look out...  agohige | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and $5000 cell phones?  ahebra@... | 03/10/09
What killed the home builder..  20kwfence | 03/10/09
Re: What killed the home builder  bb_apptix | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and Homebrewing  1ceman | 03/10/09
POWER SUPPLIES - WILL NOT BUY COSTCO/CHEAP!  scott1329 | 03/10/09
Never shop at Costco...  agohige | 03/10/09
"pornography is healthy"  davidr69 | 03/10/09
Women  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/10/09
Healthy Porn? Not!!  jackdeth@... | 03/10/09
Wow, Boy Somebody Sure Is Living In A Bubble  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
Better Software  bryans501 | 03/10/09
I think Both are still Alive  JEFFSGTP | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  jaosnfehrs | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  fleitas@... | 03/10/09
Hitachi just laid off...  agohige | 03/10/09
Boo Hoo  ferrum26 | 03/10/09
Good reply...  agohige | 03/10/09
Building one now...  agohige | 03/10/09
Of course I disagree  sysop-dr | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  matlen | 03/10/09
Upgrading less often, but still upgrading  sbf95070 | 03/10/09
Upgrading Out of Necessity  ememi@... | 03/10/09
Homebrewing not dead yet . . .neither will extreme be.  zarvos | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  Wheelzup | 03/10/09
16k for 1 or 16k for 12 or more PC's  SirCatlord | 03/10/09
A Big Co. PC means  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  stdo57@... | 03/10/09
Jason has no clue  FirstNLastN | 03/10/09
Extreme as a hobby vs. Extreme as a need  rarsa | 03/10/09
RE: Homebrewed PCs  rmazzeo | 03/10/09
IT's Over for me.  Richard B | 03/10/09
Games  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/11/09
Nothing but 3D shooters is killing PC Gaming  BillDem | 07/02/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  Insight Driver | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  psion@... | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  bobmatch@... | 03/10/09
Jason, how severely misguided you are...  nix_hed | 03/10/09
Yes, You're Wrong Jason Perlow  WiredGuy | 03/10/09
Dead? No, just dormant  cjc82s | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  wcosales@... | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  dennyc5@... | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme  net2j@... | 03/10/09
Blatant Trollish Article From An Obvious Wannabe  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/10/09
byo pc lives!  jefflackey@... | 03/10/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  iamdarwinsrottweiller620@... | 03/11/09
That's A Clever Gimick  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  ceh4702 | 03/11/09
For You, Yes, But Not For A Developer  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/11/09
The only thing "retarded" is this blog post  Speednet | 03/11/09
Computer Shopper  jperlowZDNet Moderator | 03/11/09
Not sure how I missed that  Speednet | 03/11/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  elliottxp | 03/11/09
10-4, Elliott  Vibrant_Rich | 03/11/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  bweir13 | 03/12/09
Mod or custom will always be here...  xXSpeedzXx | 03/12/09
Ok I forgot  xXSpeedzXx | 03/12/09
This Is Completely Wrong  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/12/09
Not to nitpick....  bweir13 | 03/12/09
At NewEgg  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/12/09
Also...  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/12/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  vachi | 03/12/09
I Can't Read Your Post  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/12/09
Someone should have told me this...  spleendamage | 03/12/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  Bulldog64 | 03/12/09
Home built PC's have nothing to do with $$$$.  bjbrock | 03/12/09
Got that right!!  bweir13 | 03/12/09
WRONG!  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/12/09
why do you love saying WRONG  vachi | 03/12/09
Because I Love The Way It Makes You Reply  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/12/09
What's $100?  bjbrock | 03/12/09
That Was Just Quick Flunkie Run  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 03/12/09
Slow, but not go away.  Narg | 03/12/09
You neglected "quality" as a reason to home build.  tom.zdnet@... | 03/13/09
Absolutely!  Pepper.dot.Net | 08/14/09
Quality as a reason to home-build...  matthew_of_cambridge | 03/14/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  n3o_311 | 03/14/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  atari8bit@... | 03/14/09
Homebrews have better upgrade path  fletchoid | 03/15/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  jerry@... | 03/17/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  jscstew@... | 03/20/09
Extreme overclocks  se_lain@... | 03/24/09
Load of rot  preyingrazor | 04/02/09
Judging only by...  notlehs | 04/16/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  rmlounsbury@... | 04/16/09
To be honest?  kcredden2 | 04/16/09
I agree  rcfoulk@... | 04/16/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  kvolkan | 04/16/09
I disagree  Lerianis | 04/16/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  gary859 | 04/16/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  lcs0901 | 04/16/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  alfowler@... | 04/16/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  walkerjian@... | 04/16/09
Dead.  HypnoToad72 | 07/02/09
Mac - cheaper?  Hate Malware | 07/02/09
It's not a big question. And it's an easy answer.  Cayble | 07/02/09
RE: Extreme PCs and Homebrews  Cardhu | 07/02/09
Extreme PCs and Home Brew - Alive in my house  BillDem | 07/02/09
Got to agree with that statement  Lerianis10 | 07/02/09
no doubt  jeffk464 | 08/22/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  Hate Malware | 07/02/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  Insight Driver | 07/02/09
Extreme PCs and Hot Rods  cyber.vision | 07/21/09
ZDNet - Rest In Peace  WiredGuy | 08/13/09
Home-brews  bionicbub | 08/13/09
RE: Extreme PCs and appropriate technology  golhoeft | 08/13/09
exactly...what do civics and ferraris have in common?  bobavery | 08/13/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  tom.bennett@... | 08/13/09
Jason Perlow no longer relevant  Narg | 08/13/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  ratstalker | 08/13/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  bb_apptix | 08/13/09
Homebrews and the single guy  bobavery | 08/13/09
Lack of options and variety with Big-Name Brands...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 08/14/09
The POWWWAAAA and the PORN  DXMage | 08/14/09
There's still a market  Dr. John | 08/14/09
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It's the software, stupid.  jeremychappell | 08/22/09
RE: Extreme PCs and  MoeFugger | 08/22/09
Extreme Blog Posts RIP  UncleYitz | 08/23/09

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