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April 13th, 2009

The desktop fight you've all been waiting for

Posted by Jason Perlow @ 8:02 pm

Categories: Desktop, Free operating systems, Linux, Open Source

Tags: Desktop, KDE, Linux, Open Source, UNIX, Operating Systems, Software, Jason Perlow

The eternal battle for the Linux desktop: Which GUI reigns supreme, GNOME or KDE?

It really pisses me off when a writer comes up with an idea before I do. It pisses me off even more when I know they wrote it better than I possibly could have written it as well.

As part of Linux Magazine’s re-launch this month as a completely web-based publication, writer Ken Hess has come up with a humorous, but indeed informative approach on how to do product reviews — have them fight each other in a “Smackdown”, a la MTV Celebrity Deathmatch. Linux Magazine may not have a claymation budget, but that doesn’t make the concept any less amusing.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

The fight of the century? GNOME vs. KDE , the two titans of the Linux desktop. Sure there are welter and lightweights that shouldn’t be ignored, such as XFCE, Enlightenment and GNUStep/WindowMaker, but let’s face it, it’s the two heavyweights that rule the roost on all of the desktop Linux distributions that are getting the lion’s share of attention, that being Ubuntu, Fedora, and openSUSE.

I’m not going to ruin the results of the fight, so you’ll have to go over to Linux Magazine and read Ken’s piece yourself.  However, as an impartial fight judge, I do have some opinions on who seems to have the advantage.

I used to love KDE, and in many respects, I think that from a pure technology standpoint, it’s got just about every desktop for Linux and Unix beat. KDE 3.5.x was a stable, mature desktop, and it ran great. This all changed when KDE switched from a Qt3.x to a Qt4.x-based development tree and the desktop software traded its polish, maturity and familiar look and feel for whiz-bang eye candy and the stability of a keg of nitroglycerin. Every KDE 4.x release to date that has come out of the major distros has been an absolute disaster. Linus himself after trying a recent build essentially gave up on it — that alone should say something.

Still, I WANT KDE to succeed. I like the fact that it has a modular design and makes extensive use of object oriented technology, in many ways rivaling and exceeding what the Mac can do. As a development environment the Qt widget set is incredibly rich, and by being cross-platform it enables you to write applications in a single code base for Linux, Unix, Windows and Mac simultaneously with almost no code changes when recompiled for each target system — it’s how products like Opera are built.

But the folks at GNOME seem to be doing a much better job of maintaining their codebase and not taking too many risks with incremental releases. Whereas KDE 4.x is the Windows Vista to KDE 3.5.x’s Windows XP SP3, GNOME 2.x is akin to Microsoft selling Windows XP for 7 years with Service Packs — the thing just plain works. However, I have to say that GNOME’s design is starting to look a bit worn in the tooth, especially when compared to KDE. Additionally, from a development standpoint, the GNOME envioronment and its resulting library pile needed to support a typical distribution’s GNOME application stack is an absolute mess, especially when compared to the modularity of KDELibs.

For now, I’m a GNOME user. But like the first time I saw “Rocky”, I hope that KDE isn’t down for the count.

Who is winning the battle of the Linux desktop? GNOME or KDE? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

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(nt)  InAction Man | 04/16/09
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The Modern OS user...  Dave32265 | 04/15/09
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RE: Keep in mind that the vast majority of potential OS  dougbeer | 04/15/09
RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  Loverock Davidson | 04/14/09
Attempt Failed!  tripolitan | 04/14/09
Attempt at what?  Loverock Davidson | 04/14/09
So, about your "truth" quota...  zkiwi | 04/14/09
Don't change the subject  Loverock Davidson | 04/14/09
The subject was, you and the truth  zkiwi | 04/14/09
Partly right  Loverock Davidson | 04/15/09
You wouldn't know the truth......  linux for me | 04/14/09
Loverock, are you a PC (like these)?  B.O.F.H. | 04/14/09
I am a PC! (but not like those)  Loverock Davidson | 04/14/09
The "guy" on the right...  kozmcrae | 04/14/09
Wow, he sure looks too cool.  InAction Man | 04/15/09
50?? You must be new here  daboochmeister | 04/15/09
The FUD is getting so old  wolftalamasca | 04/14/09
Re: the fud is getting so old  Christian_<>< | 04/14/09
Its not FUD if its true  Loverock Davidson | 04/14/09
No  don@... | 04/14/09
Yes  Loverock Davidson | 04/15/09
Just quit, you're not funny anymore!  InAction Man | 04/15/09
Anymore?  fairportfan | 04/15/09
Yes, it was fun for a while.  InAction Man | 04/15/09
Now, now..  Dave32265 | 04/15/09
Scary Linux  dev-null | 04/15/09
RE: RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  dougbeer | 04/15/09
@dogBeer: Prove your claims!  InAction Man | 04/16/09
RE: InAction Man  dougbeer | 04/16/09
KDE 4.2.2  teddybairs1 | 04/14/09
Got to agree  don@... | 04/14/09
*y...a...w...n...* *sigh* Good grief!  Grayson Peddie | 04/14/09
I don't understand....  linux for me | 04/14/09
To each their own, then.  Grayson Peddie | 04/14/09
Thats the beauty of KDE/Gnome  deaf_e_kate | 04/15/09
I said that......  linux for me | 04/15/09
Some like...  Dave32265 | 04/15/09
Pont taken...(NT)  linux for me | 04/15/09
Gnome is my favourite  pjotr123 | 04/14/09
Is mixing things not recommended???  crp@... | 04/15/09
Mixing is safe  pjotr123 | 04/16/09
RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  nemesis9 | 04/14/09
Open_Source has options  Christian_<>< | 04/14/09
zdnet is paid for by MS & Oboma Socialist...  Christian_<>< | 04/14/09
LOL  eMJayy | 04/14/09
Which 5 year old did you steal your brain from?  hiraghm@... | 04/15/09
RE: LOL  dougbeer | 04/15/09
Why???  InAction Man | 04/16/09
First off...  Dave32265 | 04/15/09
First off...  hiraghm@... | 04/15/09
Oh, and before you try a t.i.t.-for-t.a.t. comparison  hiraghm@... | 04/15/09
"Note the absence of "Microsoft" in this list"  Dave32265 | 04/15/09
What nation?  hiraghm@... | 04/15/09
Well, this non-title fight would be on a very small arena...nt  transposeIT | 04/14/09
The in-my-backyard-brawl between me and my kid brother...  ericesque | 04/14/09
Marketing 101  muzza2005 | 04/15/09
pfff  Azathothh | 04/15/09
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KDE lost me with 4.x  devlin_X | 04/15/09
A little competition is good!  xstep | 04/15/09
Different people, different desktops.  emenau | 04/15/09
Where are the freaking games?  caspianhiro | 04/15/09
Interesting...  Dave32265 | 04/15/09
GNOME for me.  bricar2 | 04/15/09
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Two words: Dependency Hell  dmarston | 04/15/09
I'm sure what you meant was Dll Hell  InAction Man | 04/15/09
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Your Comments  dev-null | 04/15/09
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Actually...  Dave32265 | 04/15/09
Actually -  ItsTheBottomLine | 04/15/09
Not my experience...  Dave32265 | 04/15/09
LOL - you got it...and  ItsTheBottomLine | 04/15/09
ubuntu again  Ubuntunotvista | 04/15/09
DreamLinux and XFCE  hiraghm@... | 04/15/09
ATI drivers...  Dave32265 | 04/15/09
I will have to give those a try on my play Suse 11.x setup. - nt  ItsTheBottomLine | 04/15/09
RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  SippyCup | 04/15/09
yawn, more like a grade school fight at recess!  Joe_Suchy@... | 04/15/09
The judges are mistaken  lefty.crupps | 04/15/09
not the GUI...  way_z | 04/15/09
Windows clone  way_z | 04/15/09
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RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  darius@... | 04/15/09
RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  jguyp725@... | 04/15/09
What are you, 12?  Spiritusindomit@... | 04/15/09
KDE4GNome 5.0  robtjr30 | 04/15/09
Many do.  snaresV64 | 04/15/09
RE: A couple of has beens  nospam@... | 04/15/09
RE: A couple of has beens  dougbeer | 04/15/09
@dogBeer  InAction Man | 04/16/09
Windows? Mac OSX?  snaresV64 | 04/15/09
Fluxbox and XFCE...  Dave32265 | 04/15/09
Half-assed Kubuntu  snaresV64 | 04/15/09
KDE 4...  Dave32265 | 04/15/09
RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  dougbeer | 04/15/09
So dogBeer, why don't you  InAction Man | 04/16/09
RE: So dogBeer, why don't you  dougbeer | 04/17/09
Ha! You funny!..  JCitizen | 04/25/09
Why only *one* desktop ?  tom123_z | 04/16/09
RE: Why only one desktop?  masinick@... | 04/17/09
RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  bbonis@... | 04/16/09
RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  bbonis@... | 04/16/09
The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  malbrook | 04/16/09
No one says you have to...  Dave32265 | 04/16/09
RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  atari8bit@... | 04/16/09
Don't overlook the "Do It Yourself" Linux desktop option.  roystonlodge | 04/17/09
Folks... Really...  tyrannosaur | 04/17/09
You are so right. (NT)  kozmcrae | 04/17/09
And another thing! (last post, I promise)  roystonlodge | 04/17/09
RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  freeasinmarket | 04/19/09
Ubuntu  Tsingi | 04/19/09
Just get rid of Windows first  apexwm | 04/23/09
RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  The Management consultant | 04/27/09
The real Role Model is the Mac!  MarkyGoldstein | 10/05/09
GNOME for me.  bricar2 | 10/05/09
RE: The desktop fight you've all been waiting for  michael@... | 10/05/09
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