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September 20th, 2007

Will flash EVER replace disk?

Posted by Robin Harris @ 9:54 pm

Categories: Disk drives, Solid State Disk

Tags: Hype, Notebook, Disk, USB Flash Drive, Robin Harris

How about never - is never good for you?
As a long-time fan of flash (NAND) storage - and a flash notebook long-ago user - I’ve been repeatedly surprised at how the hype for flash drives and the reality have diverged (see Hybrid drives: not so fast, Flash drives: your mileage WILL vary, and Power, notebooks and solid state disk).

I bought into the hype initially, but as the hype and the facts have diverged, I’ve gone with the facts. Despite its well-known liberal bias, engaging with reality has its advantages. If only more people would.

Update: The “reality has a liberal bias” comment was a crib from Stephen Colbert of Comedy Central’s The Colbert Report, which I think is funny in a technology context because technology isn’t “liberal” or “conservative,” it just is. However, being “data-driven” is a new - ~400 years old - and “liberal” concept that many are still suspicious of, thus the humor in Colbert’s remark. End update.

The (disk) empire strikes back
I’m here at DISKCON 2007 USA in Silicon Valley. The tension between the disk folks and the flash folks has been the subject of some forced humor. If somebody announced the intention to take 25% of your income, how funny would YOU be?

The most outspoken disk defender is Rich Rutledge, SVP at Western Digital, the 2nd largest disk manufacturer. His argument, stripped to the essentials, is that flash will *never* deliver on the hype, because it can’t. Rich’s basic point is that most of flash’s advantages are illusory:

  • Power: disks are pretty efficient, and today’s notebooks have a lot of power-hogging systems (Wi-fi, Bluetooth, display, dual-core processors, GB of RAM and graphics co-processors) so the additional battery life that flash can deliver is less than 6%.
  • Boot times: cold boot not all that much faster - 8-10% - and the fastest boot times in Vista come from Vista’s Sleep mode, which uses the battery to keep your data live in RAM, the fastest mass storage in your notebook.
  • Size & weight: important in handheld devices, but notebook size and weight are dominated by keyboard and screen requirements, not the extra grams of a disk drive. Flash in small ultra-light notebooks? Sure. In a 17″ behemoth? Much less likely.
  • Performance: flash, is a top fuel unlimited dragster - fast in the quarter mile, but no good on curves. That is, the flash drive’s massive advantage in small random read speed is lost in the real world where small random writes and large sequential reads and writes drown out the flash drive’s one big performance advantage.

Why the hype?
I want to believe that flash drives will be better. But since they aren’t now, why the hype?

One of the flash presenters was surprisingly forthright. He said that the current flash-based consumer product sales are heavily weighted towards the holiday season. The several billion dollars a flash fab costs means keeping the fab running flat out is a very Good Thing. With the current product mix they can’t.

What to do? New products that aren’t seasonal.

The Storage Bits take
Rich makes some good points, but I’m not ready to write flash off. Let’s give the engineers a chance to do their magic. But I’m far from convinced that the flash vendors have the Mojo to pull off what they’ve promised. Enough hype, let’s get some results.

Comments welcome, as always.

Robin HarrisRobin Harris has been messing with computers for over 30 years and selling and marketing data storage for over 20 in companies large and small. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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Wintel is the deciding factor ...
Intel and Windows architectures are the deciding factors for the future of flash in PCs. Right now, it's not looking so good.

As a previous reply mentioned, one big advantage of flash memory is... (Read the rest)
Posted by: terry flores Posted on: 10/02/07 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
"EVER" is a long time  jorjitop | 09/21/07
reality has a liberal bias?  Steve Summers | 09/21/07
Well the big issue with flash is not the read speed...  mrOSX | 09/21/07
Writing one byte  Larry the Security Guy | 09/21/07
Socialisim? Liberal ideal?  Laff | 09/21/07
Socialist health care?  Steve Summers | 09/21/07
I've heard that arguement before and in many ways  Laff | 09/21/07
Scary either way, Socialist is better here  voska | 09/21/07
Uh Hello.  People | 09/21/07
Agreed.  slopoke | 09/21/07
So why use failed examples?  Laff | 09/21/07
Who says doctors are in charge  voska | 09/21/07
If you don't understand that  People | 09/22/07
I don't know about you People but I work for me...  Laff | 09/23/07
So do like France  shis-ka-bob | 09/23/07
Socialized Medicine is a Siren.  People | 09/26/07
Wow.  People | 09/21/07
I read both your posts and sorry but capitalisim is not  Laff | 09/21/07
Message has been deleted.  Steve Summers | 09/21/07
You know a lot of what you say makes sense too me...  Laff | 09/21/07
Employment and Unemployment  People | 09/21/07
JC!?! Who the blank brought JC into this!?! and why...  Laff | 09/22/07
Laff...  People | 09/23/07
We are freemen peasants  xfer_rdy | 09/21/07
There are just so many falsehoods in your post...  Steve Summers | 09/21/07
Everyone travels a different road  xfer_rdy | 09/22/07
Wow- impressive education.  Steve Summers | 09/22/07
Things have changed...... everbody keeps saying that and yet.  Laff | 09/22/07
RE: Wow- impressive education  xfer_rdy | 09/22/07
Not as "disk"...  Brane2 | 09/21/07
I'd say never  voska | 09/21/07
Agreed  Magikx21 | 09/21/07
RE: Will flash EVER replace disk?  poulsen.hans@... | 09/21/07
Scalability  gsteele531@... | 09/21/07
I like your thinking  T1Oracle | 09/21/07
Maybe not  gsteele531@... | 09/22/07
depends on  A.Lizard | 09/21/07
8 gigs on something the size of finger nail  bicard | 09/22/07
Fixing the random write problem  SteveGJ | 09/24/07
Wintel is the deciding factor ...  terry flores | 10/02/07

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