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February 20th, 2008

Apple's cookie monster: Safari CRS

Posted by Robin Harris @ 1:47 pm

Categories: Infrastructure, Software

Tags: Irony, Data Storage, Apple Safari, Apple Inc., Cookie, Storage, Storage Management, Hardware, Robin Harris

Apple rushed the latest version of OS X to market because of Steve Job’s promise to the Mac faithful. And we’ve been paying for it ever since. 10.5.2 is almost up to Apple’s traditional quality. My last serious peeve: the Safari CRS (Can’t Remember . . . um-m, Stuff) bug.

Cookies: love ‘em, hate ‘em - the good outweighs the bad
Back in my command line OS days, like CP/M and VAX/VMS, a little storage went a long way. Hit the up arrow key and your last command line came back, ready to correct. Bliss!

Now of course we take little helper storage for granted. Email that offers up addresses after you’ve typed a few letters. Applications that remember recent documents and preferences. And browser cookies - little files that remember web site registrations and passwords. (Cookies have less savory uses as well, but that’s not today’s topic.)

Leopard, the almost-ready-for-prime-time OS
I surf a lot of sites everyday, many that require registration. Normally not a problem: I’ve registered and the cookies handle the sign-in. But ever since I installed Mac OS 10.5 - Leopard - Safari has regularly forgotten some or all of my cookies, forcing me to login again to sites whose registration details I’ve long since forgotten.

I want my computer to remember this stuff! And the irritating thing is that it used to!

It isn’t just me
I checked the Apple support discussion group for Safari. Sure enough, other people report the same problem - starting almost 4 months ago - just days after the 10.5.0 release.

A bug report was filed months ago. Still no fix. Now, after 2 more dot releases, the problem persists. 10.5.3 anyone? Sigh.

The Storage Bits take
This isn’t just about Apple. This is about the industy’s myopia about data storage. The value in our systems is the data.

Not big, colorful displays. Not fast, multi-core processors. Not even our 1 terabyte disks. They’re all Good Stuff. But its the data - our data - that makes our system ours.

That’s what makes me crazy about flaky disks, buggy file systems, rickety RAIDs and cranky backup software. They’re core to why people buy computers. And the industry can’t be bothered to create really solid data storage systems.

The irony is that the better our systems get, the more we rely on them. And the more we rely on them the more damaging it is when they fail.

Comments welcome

Robin HarrisRobin Harris has been messing with computers for over 30 years and selling and marketing data storage for over 20 in companies large and small. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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Um.... ever try switching browsers?
It sounds like its the browser thats at fault not the OS. It's funny you are shocked that Safari has problems. It's never been known as a good browser let alone a great one. Switch to Firefox or one of the other ones and problem solved.....

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Posted by: devlin_X Posted on: 02/28/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Good ideas are squashed by the big boys  zmud | 02/21/08
Good ideas are squashed by the big boys  aussieblnd@... | 02/21/08
Is there a logic behind this?  James Quinn | 02/21/08
The following will help you understand  frgough | 02/21/08
Cynical answer  rapson | 02/21/08
logic behind this?  aussieblnd@... | 02/21/08
quite honestly  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
Xunil-z Obama?................................ NOT!  James Quinn | 02/21/08
Even in your remarks  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
Honest is not true especially if it comes from YOUR  James Quinn | 02/21/08
So now you call me a liar.  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
Nope I think you really mean what you say... sad  James Quinn | 02/21/08
LOL!!  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
What you did not read my response below?  James Quinn | 02/21/08
I saw this one first. Now  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
Start supporting Mac's you'll have plenty...:P  James Quinn | 02/21/08
Nah,...i'm content  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
Not convinced OS X is ready for primetime?  msalzberg | 02/21/08
Healthcare that figures....  James Quinn | 02/22/08
Ok, that was just totally and utterly  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
Paper route many that's tough.  James Quinn | 02/22/08
Sorry, no dairy farms where i lived  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
So you are a lumberjack and that's OK eh?  James Quinn | 02/22/08
Sorry my Man, but you have no idea...  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
I wonder I haven't lost yet let's compare notes someday:P  James Quinn | 02/22/08
Ah but with Apple and the Mac....  James Quinn | 02/22/08
Oops my bad....  James Quinn | 02/22/08
How can you be wrong all the time?  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
In fact.  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
OK then...and from my perspective.  James Quinn | 02/21/08
That's it Jim, let it all out. It's good for you. Even though ....  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
Quick question...  msalzberg | 02/21/08
Quick question to you first  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
OK too wordy just skimmed it.  James Quinn | 02/22/08
skimmed? Over 50% of it was a re-post of your novel..You didn't notice?  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
Yes I noticed....  James Quinn | 02/22/08
Oh yeah....  James Quinn | 02/22/08
Your spin and number of posts is making me dizzy@  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
"Apple had to do this"  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
Those two replys were rather weak.  James Quinn | 02/22/08
All of your replies are....  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
Just like your views of history my friend...  James Quinn | 02/22/08
Example please  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
What are looks worth?  James Quinn | 02/22/08
What are looks worth.....to you.  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
See Above  James Quinn | 02/22/08
quite honestly ?  aussieblnd@... | 02/21/08
Ok then.  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
Ms took 5x the time it took Apple...  James Quinn | 02/21/08
How do you know?  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
In excess of 500 bug fixes in SP1 for Vista and you  James Quinn | 02/22/08
You didn't notice i said in 2007?  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
So the fact that it takes MS LONGER to patch is a  James Quinn | 02/22/08
oh contraire. When in '07 did Leopard com out?  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
XP is MUCH older than Tiger and yet it is still being  James Quinn | 02/22/08
the "Mac"  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
Again point of view....  James Quinn | 02/22/08
Do you find  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
Fair enough....  James Quinn | 02/22/08
Ok then.  aussieblnd@... | 02/21/08
Ok. ...i suppose  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
So don't use Safari...  Stuka | 02/21/08
While here in the Vista world...  Mike Cox | 02/21/08
Since when did you drop the parody thing?  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
Well at the very least....  James Quinn | 02/21/08
I think Mr. Cox must . . .  JLHenry | 02/21/08
correction . . .  JLHenry | 02/21/08
Put your money...  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
I think others have made the claim it is not....  James Quinn | 02/21/08
Poor Jim.  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
Feel free to scamper away my friend...  James Quinn | 02/22/08
Wait a sec....you've honestly never noticed the ...  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
Nope but there are some objective people.  James Quinn | 02/22/08
You havn't noticed?  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
I'll admit I don't know a lot about MOST of the  James Quinn | 02/22/08
In turn  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
your money...  aussieblnd@... | 02/21/08
Do you now?  xuniL_z | 02/21/08
Do you now?  aussieblnd@... | 02/21/08
Don't get too excited.  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
Vista world  aussieblnd@... | 02/21/08
Vista world.  xuniL_z | 02/22/08
And makes us all the more Spoiled  jpr75_z | 02/21/08
Cookie deletion should be fixed in 10.5.2  KeeHinckley | 02/21/08
Um.... ever try switching browsers?  devlin_X | 02/28/08

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