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May 5th, 2009

Cloud vs sand: Google vs Microsoft

Posted by Robin Harris @ 10:08 pm

Categories: Infrastructure, Software

Tags: Google Inc., Google Apps, Network, Data Loss, Downtime, Microsoft Corp., Business Problem, TwinStrata, SATA RAID 5, Capital Requirement

The numbers don’t lie
An independent study found on-site Microsoft apps - Office and Exchange - cost 20x in capital dollars and 5x-6x more than Google Apps on a 3 year Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) basis. How can Microsoft compete?

The debate
Cloud, as in Google apps, and sand, as in locally hosted Microsoft apps, are battling for business mind share. “Cloud is cheaper” say proponents. “Traditional apps are more reliable” say skeptics.

The rub: both are right. The business problem is finding the most cost-effective path given your needs.

No Microsoft or Google money
A Boston company TwinStrata did this study with no funding from Google or Microsoft. TwinStrata sells Clarity AP (Assessment & Planning), that quantifies infrastructure data loss and downtime risks.

Figuring out downtime
People are lousy at estimating the risk of uncommon events. All disk drives fail, yet few back up. SATA RAID 5 is no longer safe, yet people buy it.

But when one solution costs 20x more, it makes sense to take a 2nd look. Clarity AP uses Bayesian analysis to model the reliability and availability of systems, software, networks and operations. You can compare the difference between RAID 5 and 6, or tape and disk backup, or a Tier 1 data center against Amazon’s S3. And much more, such as recovery processes.

Bayesian methods determine the total variability of a group of many subsystems. Virtually forgotten 40 years ago the technique is now widely used. (Here’s a short YouTube video on Bayesian theory and the software.)

Clarity AP figures out the expected availability of a complex system and, by plugging in costs for downtime and data loss, figure out the expected uptime of a configuration and what the downtime cost.

The study focuses on cost and data availability. It assumes that application integration, security, performance and compliance meets minimum business requirements.

It also assumes that you have about 20 employees and use good quality products, such as a NetApp external filer.

The method

Model assumptions

Daily volume of new email 100 MB
Local copy of email None
Archiving None
Cost per hour of downtime $500
Cost per GB of data loss $5,000
Network outage Lose email access

Office apps assumptions:

Daily volume of new documents 50 MB
Local copies of documents None
Cost per hour of downtime $250
Cost per GB of data loss $30,000
Network outage No application access

The cost of downtime and data loss is critical for assessing cloud vs sand. The Clarity AP software makes it easy to perform sensitivity analysis.

The results
The study looked at four different configurations: 1) Google apps with a single network connection; 2) Google apps with two network connections for added availability; 3) Microsoft Office and Exchange with internal disk storage; and, 4) Office and Exchange with an external storage array.

Solution Capital expense Operating expense 3 year TCO
Google $1.3k $10.7k $33.4k
Google dual network $1.3k $17.4k $53.5k
MS internal disk $27.5k $40.5k $148.9k
MS external array $69.1k $46.5k $208.8k

What about risk?
Most new small businesses would stop there: 1/20th the cost of an on-site system is too good to ignore. But what if you are thinking of migrating to Google or your existing system needs replacement?

Here’s how the options cost out when adjusted for risk.

Solution Annual risk of downtime Annual risk of data loss Adjusted TCO
Google $19.1k $1k $93.5k
Google dual network $13.2k $1k $95.9k
MS internal disk $10.2k $8.6k $205.3k
MS external array $7.2k $1.1k $233.7k

Note that the dual network option reduces downtime costs, while the external array is much less likely to lose data.

Adjusting for the cloud’s greater downtime Google is less than half the cost of Microsoft. As Google’s availability improves the cost advantage will only grow.

If Google ever figures out how to make their stuff usable by small business owners, Redmond will be a ghost town.

The Storage Bits take
Google will, of course, blow their huge cost advantage over Microsoft. At heart they’re geeks who don’t understand small business. In 20 years they’ll look like Sun does now.

Here are a few of Google’s problems in the SMB arena.

  1. Privacy suckage. They ask for too much information and aren’t explicit about how information will be used. For example, if you want to use Google calendar you have to upload all your contacts to Google. Why?
  2. Non-existent support. People are willing to pay for support. Google needs to figure it out. They could, for example, train and credential ISP, VARs and consultants to offer Google Apps support.
  3. User experience and design. Google’s homepage, designed for minimum bandwidth when most people used modems, was an accidental triumph - but it’s been downhill from there. Marissa Mayer, VP of User Ignorance, is a disaster. Marissa, a word of advice: you’re young, rich and w-a-a-ay too comfortable at Google - go spread your wings at another company and find out if you’re smart or just lucky. Hint: it’s the latter.

The real message of this analysis is that the economics of the Internet have made it a competitive advantage to be small. Capital requirements are minimal - good thing today - and cloud infrastructure + cheap local computes and storage

Comments welcome, of course. I’ve been doing some work for TwinStrata - like the video mentioned above - but the study was their idea. Update:Here’s a link to a 3MB zip of a pdf presentation on the study from StorageMojo.com. End update.

Robin HarrisRobin Harris has been messing with computers for over 30 years and selling and marketing data storage for over 20 in companies large and small. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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Google Apps vs. Microsoft BPOS
A different comparison could be made, that
between Google Apps, and between Microsoft's
new SaaS online productivity software -
Microsoft BPOS. It is a better comparison than
Google Ap... (Read the rest)
Posted by: pankajunk Posted on: 08/26/09  (Edited: 08/26/09 @ 03:00) You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Geeks make it right.  kozmcrae | 05/05/09
Can we locally host Google App?  Dealing | 05/05/09
If you could it would cost you.  Robin HarrisZDNet Moderator | 05/06/09
How 'bout HTML5 and offline database storage  Mikael_z | 05/06/09
By doing that...  Gladiatorcn | 05/06/09
Costing money to change to a better browser???  Mikael_z | 05/06/09
You didn't understand the story  Gladiatorcn | 05/06/09
Apple is the MOST proprietarey and least secure.  DevGuy_z | 05/07/09
You know it's a sin to lie? sad  Mikael_z | 05/07/09
On the other hand...  914four | 05/07/09
A caching server could be quite inexpensive. Google and others should  DonnieBoy | 05/06/09
Caching servers won't do the trick  brotherx | 05/06/09
I am saying that Google would have to make it, and it would be specific to  DonnieBoy | 05/06/09
But...  pico_D | 05/08/09
Why would you want to?  brotherx | 05/06/09
The StorageMojo take - love it  ejhonda | 05/06/09
It was a late night . . .  Robin HarrisZDNet Moderator | 05/06/09
Hey, the Google Street View truck is outside my door!  Robin HarrisZDNet Moderator | 05/06/09
The one show-stopper in Google Apps (for us, at least)  ejhonda | 05/06/09
Google needs a caching server to solve that problem for the interim.  DonnieBoy | 05/06/09
OK  markbn | 05/06/09
One Question  BobinAtlanta | 05/06/09
99.9%?  pico_D | 05/08/09
Are you insane?  markbn | 05/06/09
how are local apps more reliable  shis-ka-bob | 05/06/09
Then you have a problem in your workplace.  Cayble | 05/07/09
Yankee Group Disagrees  daengbo | 05/07/09
Hmmm...  pico_D | 05/08/09
I own the sand and everything in it  GuidingLight | 05/06/09
RE: Cloud vs sand: Google vs Microsoft  mr1972 | 05/06/09
What about security?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/06/09
Encryption. nt  T1Oracle | 05/06/09
Encryption breaker. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/06/09
RE: What about security?  BitSmacker | 05/07/09
RE: Cloud vs sand: Google vs Microsoft  Loverock Davidson | 05/06/09
Yea, fully featured BSODing botnets...  T1Oracle | 05/06/09
What are you talking about?  Loverock Davidson | 05/06/09
Even I thought it was funny - nt  LiquidLearner | 05/06/09
Huh? sounds like a crappy enterprise technical team - nt  socialism=nowhere | 05/06/09
Better heading Blue Sky vs Solid Earth,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/06/09
Technically, both Microsoft and Google have cloud offerings.  B.O.F.H. | 05/06/09
And only one has desktop apps.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/06/09
Depends what your application needs are.  B.O.F.H. | 05/06/09
...and if you are using Sun's thin clients  914four | 05/14/09
estimated values are rubbish  Aussie_Troll | 05/06/09
Please read the report  TwinStrata | 05/06/09
GOOG=EVIL repressing the comments on the link from Aussie_troll  agent_bippy | 05/06/09
Lifehacker = Evil  daengbo | 05/07/09
Google needs to upgrade their privacy policies.  T1Oracle | 05/06/09
Rich clients can always keep ahead of thin client solutions  P. Douglas | 05/06/09
Did you last check in the eighties..?  bentedgz | 05/06/09
The downside is network dependency  hiraghm@... | 05/07/09
figures don't lie but liars can figure  georgeou | 05/06/09
Please elaborate  TwinStrata | 05/06/09
Translation  whisperycat | 05/06/09
Actually what he is saying is the cost comparisons are valid  socialism=nowhere | 05/06/09
RE: Translation  Col Mustard | 05/06/09
Maybe some specifics...  jasonp@... | 05/06/09
Don't tell me it runs with the same richness, features, or speed  georgeou | 05/07/09
Not really true.  TripleII | 05/06/09
This is such good news!  George Mitchell | 05/06/09
Feature comparison  LiquidLearner | 05/06/09
Connected. vs Disconnectd - but very good points however,  socialism=nowhere | 05/06/09
Hosted Office 2007?  CodeCurmudgeon | 05/06/09
The majority don't feel the same  LiquidLearner | 05/06/09
That has been my experience with friends...  socialism=nowhere | 05/07/09
All that, and yet it still can't open Standards based documents.  914four | 05/14/09
RE: Cloud vs sand: Google vs Microsoft  agleason@... | 05/06/09
RE: Cloud vs sand: Google vs Microsoft  smorgado@... | 05/06/09
Oops construction just cut the phone lines...bye-bye Cloud. nt  socialism=nowhere | 05/06/09
Oops, building management just killed the UPS...  914four | 05/14/09
Yeah, sure -- but...  GovOfOne | 05/06/09
So I take you don't use ATMs or on line banking either?  914four | 05/14/09
Google Apps = Microsoft Apps? Puhleeese....  dmills59 | 05/06/09
How do open-source on-site options compare?  roystonlodge | 05/06/09
Multiple cloud and multiple sand solutions: why only cite 2?  macrophage | 05/12/09
Once they get us by the short hairs...  mikifinaz1@... | 05/06/09
Not really  daengbo | 05/07/09
RE: Cloud vs sand: Google vs Microsoft  dmzz | 05/06/09
How can Microsoft compete? Simple: BPOS  MikevZ | 05/06/09
RE: Cloud vs sand: Google vs Microsoft  mswift@... | 05/06/09
Its in there  TwinStrata | 05/06/09
Wow.. there's something really odd about the assumptions.  TheWerewolf | 05/06/09
The split isn't that way  philculmer | 05/07/09
Problems with Google Docs in the Enterprise  dominigan | 05/07/09
Google isn't ready for regulated businesses  daengbo | 05/07/09
RE: Cloud vs sand: Google vs Microsoft  wolframalpha | 05/07/09
Trouble with listening to gurus is  sackbut | 05/07/09
You obviously don't work in enterprise IT  daengbo | 05/07/09
Is that your only point?  TripleII | 05/08/09
In Other News....  sciske | 05/07/09
Clarification on a few points  allenfalcon | 05/08/09
We provide integration, migration, training AND support for Google Apps  olivier.margerand | 05/12/09
Google Apps vs. Microsoft BPOS  pankajunk | 08/26/09

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