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May 25th, 2009

The $17.5 million hard drive

Posted by Robin Harris @ 8:03 pm

Categories: Public policy, Security

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Some employers think they own you when all they’re doing is renting your time. It cost 1 company $17.5 million to learn that stealing an employee’s hard drive is really, really stupid.

It’s about time.

Wha’ happened?
An RV sales manager was hired by an RV manufacturer Forest River, told he was going to get a big raise “later,” and when he realized “later” meant “never” started looking for a new job.

The cheapskate company didn’t even provide a notebook, so the guy used his own to build an 11 state sales network, as well as software for tracking sales. When the company Prez got wind that the guy was looking - and before firing him - the Prez stole his notebook, took the hard drive and erased all the files.

The Prez thought the sales manager was going to steal company secrets and figured that was all the justification he needed. He figured wrong.

In the meantime the RV builder got bought by the v deep-pocketed Berkshire Hathaway holding company for legendary investor Warren Buffet.

Wha’ happened then?
The sales manager was a believable witness - despite popular prejudice, most good salesmen are believable - and the jury awarded him his lost sales commissions, $7 million in punitive damages against the RV company and $8 million in punitive damages against the RV company president and founder.

Ouch!

The Storage Bits take
Most companies aren’t as stupid and cheap as Forest River was. They’ll buy the notebook you use and have you sign a non-disclosure agreement.

When you use a company computer you have NO privacy and NO right to the personal data you store on it. Whether you think your job is secure or not, back up your personal data including pictures, contacts and emails.

Comments welcome, of course. Learn more about this case and employee rights generally at Ellen Simon’s Employee Rights Post blog.

Robin HarrisRobin Harris has been messing with computers for over 30 years and selling and marketing data storage for over 20 in companies large and small. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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This, and saying goodbye...
One thing I preach - backup, backup, backup. Dude could have had an image of his HD and not missed a beat. And still have the money.

Now, when leaving a company...
First of all, tell NO ONE ... (Read the rest)
Posted by: Warlord6 Posted on: 05/31/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Here's hoping positive reinforcement works  NonZealot | 05/25/09
The thief (prez) should have been arrested, too.  BillDem | 05/27/09
Prez behind bars?  boomchuck1 | 05/27/09
Are you kidding  wayne@... | 05/27/09
Sounds like this was a civil suit not a criminal case  NJSteveK | 05/27/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  z-max | 05/26/09
I think that 7 million plus 8 million are 15 million not 17.5 million  jacksojm | 05/26/09
You need a new calculator  Kill-the-hype | 05/26/09
Bits!  deedeedubya | 05/26/09
Re: Bits!  ttrtilley@... | 05/26/09
Smart...  mojorison67@... | 05/26/09
LOL - nt  US Is ! Europe-ThankGod! | 05/27/09
New Math  oldbaritone | 05/28/09
Most windows users are mutants...  bendib | 05/26/09
Terrorist Suspect  Dr_Zinj | 05/26/09
LMAO  Timewellwasted | 05/28/09
How?  matthew@... | 05/27/09
LOL - he is supporting the stereotype...nt  US Is ! Europe-ThankGod! | 05/27/09
*nix/mac Trolls  GAXXIS | 05/30/09
WOW - you forgot your medication again...nt  US Is ! Europe-ThankGod! | 05/27/09
Grow Up  Timewellwasted | 05/28/09
Don't be too hard on him.  kozmcrae | 05/26/09
22  jmorgus@... | 05/27/09
So he's making approximately a 14 percent commission  pueblonative | 05/27/09
OMG!!  mdearcos@... | 05/27/09
You need a new calculator  jlutgring | 05/27/09
Actually, $1.8 million, according to the story  Robin HarrisZDNet Moderator | 05/26/09
7 plus 8 = 15, but 7 plus 8 plus x plus y could equal 17.5  alaniane@... | 05/26/09
alaniane  elderlybloke | 05/26/09
No they're not  hforman@... | 05/26/09
All the FACTS?  TampaBri | 05/27/09
Hmmm.....  eloukas10 | 05/27/09
Quick math says  DNSB | 05/29/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  alandee4 | 05/26/09
And read the fine print -  oldbaritone | 05/28/09
Pay great attention to your Employer agreement!  0zcan | 05/28/09
Personal Data  ParrotHeadFL | 05/26/09
Sure, and no personal phone calls either...  fernande-zdnet | 05/26/09
No, ParrotHead is right  Worth2Cents | 05/26/09
Worth2Cents  elderlybloke | 05/26/09
Exactly  Worth2Cents | 05/27/09
No, realistically he isn't right  baileysc | 05/27/09
Reality and Legality are two separate things  Worth2Cents | 05/27/09
IT computers  DNSB | 05/29/09
Just to be clear...  Letophoro | 05/26/09
Yes, I'm clear  ParrotHeadFL | 05/27/09
Removeable storage  DNSB | 05/29/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  toxic psychotic avenger | 05/26/09
Great theory - but in practice?  Robin HarrisZDNet Moderator | 05/26/09
and there may be no notice  techr@... | 05/27/09
Wrongo TPA  Dr_Zinj | 05/26/09
Exactly how I interpret it..  JCitizen | 05/27/09
EXACTLY! eat it, IT's!  pauloforte | 05/28/09
SOME IT's HAVE ISSUES...  Timewellwasted | 05/28/09
Ups, not meaning to generalize...  pauloforte | 05/29/09
Normally I'd agree.  deowll | 05/27/09
Also, this serves as a good example as to why...  JohnMcGrew@... | 05/26/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  Try2Ketchup | 05/26/09
More to consider  twirth5@... | 05/26/09
Bogus  Answerfactory | 05/26/09
If he attached it to his account  xXSpeedzXx | 05/26/09
yeah, great iPhone feature  baileysc | 05/27/09
Incorrect...  Marty R. Milette | 05/26/09
Don't quit before you're ready...  deedeedubya | 05/26/09
Not TOO clean...  Marty R. Milette | 05/26/09
Yes  deedeedubya | 05/26/09
Funny you should mention this  Worth2Cents | 05/29/09
Not that funny that you should mention this...  baldwinleo@... | 05/29/09
You should always wipe it  baileysc | 05/27/09
Periodically backup and remove your personal files  Dr_Zinj | 05/28/09
Not always possible...  Marty R. Milette | 05/28/09
Then you hired an incompetent lawyer  Dr_Zinj | 05/28/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  tinmax | 05/26/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  tinmax | 05/26/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  libove@... | 05/26/09
The flip side of this is employees who are in it to scam the system.  Spiritusindomit@... | 05/26/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  jaxcitytech@... | 05/26/09
Dude, who are you writing to?  readwryt@... | 05/26/09
If some retarded windows user did that to me...  bendib | 05/26/09
Amazing  Michael Kelly | 05/26/09
Good thing ...  Lunatic59 | 05/26/09
Why OS X is better!!!  Robin HarrisZDNet Moderator | 05/26/09
Windows Encryption  Answerfactory | 05/26/09
I want to play this game...  deedeedubya | 05/26/09
Had he been saavy enought to open the latest ransomware  alaniane@... | 05/26/09
Yes  Jkirk3279 | 05/26/09
Sad...nt  US Is ! Europe-ThankGod! | 05/27/09
Unfortunately...  Marty R. Milette | 05/26/09
The expensive hard drive  bfilipiak@... | 05/26/09
Been there...  Marty R. Milette | 05/26/09
Exactly!  athynz | 05/27/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  JulioF | 05/26/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  JulioF | 05/26/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  hforman@... | 05/26/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  MikeZane | 05/27/09
Lucky you  oldbaritone | 05/28/09
But what is 'your' time  xrxca | 05/28/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  mfitzpatrick001@... | 05/27/09
Some body please steal my laptop  mostafa.elkordy@... | 05/27/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  acavasin@... | 05/27/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  dhswinehart@... | 05/27/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  BTStewart | 05/27/09
Forest River An Anachronism  jpgeorgia | 05/27/09
Forest River is still in business - for now  Robin HarrisZDNet Moderator | 05/27/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  twik@... | 05/27/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  nigebj | 05/27/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  svc4you@... | 05/27/09
this stinks!  douglas442 | 05/27/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  unclefixer@... | 05/27/09
Other side of the coin  kfortner51 | 05/27/09
confiscation of said "items"  douglas442 | 05/27/09
Will it be appealed?  wellduh | 05/27/09
Legal gambling -- the Civil Courts  wellduh | 05/27/09
You must have read it wrong...  pauloforte | 05/28/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  freezerlunik | 05/28/09
RE: The $17.5 million hard drive  Teedoff | 05/28/09
A thief is a thief  oldbaritone | 05/28/09
This, and saying goodbye...  Warlord6 | 05/31/09

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