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June 23rd, 2009

Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral

Posted by Robin Harris @ 8:28 pm

Categories: Disk drives, Marketing

Tags: Time Warner Inc., Blu-ray, Harris Poll Number, DVD, Consumer Electronics, Personal Technology, Home Entertainment, Robin Harris

Will consumers upgrade to Blu-ray? The CEO & co-founder of fast growing Netflix believes mailed DVDs shall be replaced by web-sent movies. And a recent Harris [no relation, darn it] Poll finds that people today are less likely to buy a Blu-ray player than they were last year.

Now would be a good time to panic
Forget the ever-optimistic “market research” reports blowing smoke up the BDA’s hind end. And the “hold the course” counsel from Blu-ray marketers.

The Harris Poll numbers are damning. Purchase intentions dropped over 20% - from 9% in ‘08 to 7% in ‘09 - while the percentage of “not at all likely” prospects rose to 75% in ‘09 from 65% in ‘08.

Buzzkill: the lukewarm Blu-ray base
But surely the early adopters who’ve experienced the joys of Blu-ray - superb picture quality, uncompressed audio and many new features - the people who - like me - have giant HD screens, surround sound systems and large movie collections, surely we love Blu-ray. Right?

Nope. Even the 16% of the polled who have a PS3 or a Blu-ray player aren’t fired up.

51% won’t wait for Blu-ray if the DVD comes out first. Fully 59% don’t buy the most movies on Blu-ray. 65% won’t replace their DVDs with Blu-ray.

In short, even the people who own Blu-ray are underwhelmed. Yes, it is better, and the people who like it buy more movies than average, but there isn’t the “Wow!” factor that drove widespread adoption of CDs and DVDs.

The Storage Bits take
The decline in buying intentions owes something to the worldwide depression recession, but the apathy of BD owners is ominous. If the players get cheap enough more people will buy them, but even that won’t drive BD disk sales.

Unless drastic action is taken before this Christmas season, Blu-ray will join all the other failed consumer media formats like SACD, Laser Disk, DVD-Audio and the PSP’s UMD. Most new formats fail - Blu-ray’s claim to fame is that it will be, without a doubt, the costliest such failure in history.

What can the BDA and the vendors do to turn it around? How about:

  • Recognition that Blu-ray is a feature tweak and price accordingly.
  • Accept that Blu-ray will never earn back the investment.
  • Consumers will pay $50 more for a Blu-ray player that is competitive with the average up-sampling DVD player.
  • Disk price margins can’t be higher than DVDs and probably should be less. The question the studios need to ask is: do we want to be selling disks in 5 years? No? Turn distribution over to your very good friends at Comcast, Apple and Time Warner. Ask Procter & Gamble about paying Safeway to stock products.
  • Fire all the market research firms telling you how great it is going to be. They are playing you. Your #1 goal: market share. High volume is your only chance to earn your way out of this mess and keep some control of your distribution.
  • Time is short. Timid incrementalism will kill you.

    Comments welcome, of course.

    Robin HarrisRobin Harris has been messing with computers for over 30 years and selling and marketing data storage for over 20 in companies large and small. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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    Even funnier.  TripleII | 06/25/09
    Buy a 1080P up convert DVD player  bwchato | 06/25/09
    Blu-ray is a huge step back  nfordzdn | 06/24/09
    Re; firmware upgrades in order to keep viewing . . .  hkommedal | 06/24/09
    Mean while...  AzuMao | 06/24/09
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    But but but  AzuMao | 06/25/09
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    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  marciamouse45@... | 06/24/09
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    Pricing-Quality?  gplatt@... | 06/24/09
    Agreed, kind of.  AzuMao | 06/24/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  xbjllb | 06/24/09
    What's that even supposed to mean?  AzuMao | 06/24/09
    I need more  sgtm8@... | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  hopped | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  afhavemann@... | 06/25/09
    Sony's Blu-ray problems  gypkap@... | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  jmp_omaha@... | 06/25/09
    So much for a free market  Igor Alexander | 09/27/09
    I will be adding a Blue Ray  jackie40d@... | 06/25/09
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    Upscaling DVD players are a better bet  ZEEK0 | 06/25/09
    BD-ROM player  ZEEK0 | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  jmp_omaha@... | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  jackie40d@... | 06/25/09
    People now accept lousy quality  Windcrest | 06/25/09
    Re; I have to wait for the manufacturer to publish new firmware.  hkommedal | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  jacksrmd | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  allcingeye | 06/25/09
    If they aren't even real, don't complain about them. wink  AzuMao | 06/25/09
    Can't disagree with you there  Igor Alexander | 09/27/09
    Bring back HD DVD!!!!!!!  Narg | 06/25/09
    I don't need or want Blu-ray! Un-warranted and costly upgrade.  jet1959mo@... | 06/25/09
    Patience  Igor Alexander | 09/28/09
    How about HD-Divx players/meda????  Narg | 06/25/09
    Because DivX  AzuMao | 06/25/09
    DivX dead?  Igor Alexander | 09/28/09
    I meant commercially. Obviously there are going to be illegal torrents  AzuMao | 09/30/09
    DRM a factor in early adopters  Bugbyte | 06/25/09
    The solution is simple.  AzuMao | 06/25/09
    Bigger Hard Drives and More Bandwidth  joel@... | 06/25/09
    Re: "Video games could be the same way but those are almost always larger  AzuMao | 06/25/09
    You people obiviously don't understand the concept...  CaW2 | 06/25/09
    Premium?  adr5@... | 06/25/09
    Re; need to fix the stupid players that take forever to start up.  hkommedal | 06/25/09
    Well it's not doing much good.  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Sorry bud  AzuMao | 06/25/09
    Give it up.  TripleII | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  CaW2 | 06/25/09
    Ya..  AzuMao | 06/25/09
    And I still think on of the biggest backlashes  CaW2 | 06/25/09
    All my DVDs are legal purchases too.  Zogg | 06/25/09
    Yes it is  AzuMao | 06/25/09
    And I still think on of the biggest backlashes  bwchato | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  wekiva@... | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  turbohawk | 06/25/09
    Not entirely Sony's fault  Igor Alexander | 09/28/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  deletedboi1985 | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  aggieoo7 | 06/25/09
    SACD and Blu-ray: The best formats today  John Hope | 06/25/09
    Audio, I agree, on 40", 7.5 feet.  TripleII | 06/25/09
    There is a problem here  pinecone69 | 08/07/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  keefrob | 06/25/09
    Never a feasible replacement for DVD  terry flores | 06/25/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  Atari800 | 06/25/09
    Wrong  AzuMao | 06/25/09
    Proved to be a much worse format?  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    By the technical specifications of the formats..  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Here we go with the profile crap again  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    But either way  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Managed copy is supposedly coming...  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    The problem is..  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    I really hate to . . .  JLHenry | 06/26/09
    I really hate to burst your bubble too.  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    is that a hole in the ground or Robins a$$?  mick@... | 06/25/09
    You're the one hating.  AzuMao | 06/25/09
    I think...  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    Weird  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    1080p Rip  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    Huh?  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    I Do Not Understand  imagefix | 06/26/09
    Finally someone who gets it  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    Weird.  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    I'll put the BD up against a...  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    Uh-huh  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Never said ...  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    I'm not saying there aren't bad codecs out there that will axe quality.  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    It is not a question of bad codecs...  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    Well that sucks.  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Re; When physical media goes away . . . I will not, but . .  hkommedal | 06/26/09
    Basically  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Go on...  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    Go on  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Again if you want to spread FUD try adding a hint of truth  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    So engadget is lying?  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Sorry nothing on a viewing distance....  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    But wouldn't BD..  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Yes some BDs are worse than others  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    It works both ways though.  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Ever hear of fair use?  Igor Alexander | 09/28/09
    BR vs Upscaling DVD.  Captiosus | 06/26/09
    BS!  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    Not more pixels.  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    You are a total moron...  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    Well if all you're going to do is name-call and tout your opinion as fact  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Not trolling anymore than former HD DVD fanboys like pissing on BD  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    It doesn't magically do anything, true.  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Placebo effect?  Igor Alexander | 09/28/09
    Blu-Ray appeals to cinephiles  Igor Alexander | 09/28/09
    Like you said: you were watching a 50" set from 7-12' away!  Zogg | 06/27/09
    If you want to legally have superior (non-DRM) content, there is a way  AzuMao | 06/27/09
    No, don't throw the legal copy away...  Zogg | 06/27/09
    Adams Research  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    I Wonder, Too  Stoshie | 06/26/09
    Maybe they are better now..  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    I admit...  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    The problem is  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Give up it up...  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    Re: "Give up it up"  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    You Raise a Good Point  Stoshie | 06/26/09
    Web-sent Movies???  Stoshie | 06/26/09
    If they'd just mail laptop HDDs with some little bubblewrap  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Or send a suitable memory card / USB stick.  hkommedal | 06/26/09
    You do understand that the content providers are...  CaW2 | 06/26/09
    No..  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Supposedly I am allowed one backup...  JCitizen | 09/30/09
    Sony Invented CD's  fixeddice | 06/26/09
    And no matter how much optical media progresses  AzuMao | 06/26/09
    Not only that . . .  JLHenry | 06/26/09
    Lets chill a sec on the death spiral and get a little real.  Cayble | 06/26/09
    Some good points . . .  JLHenry | 06/26/09
    Sure, you cant see what you cant see.  Cayble | 06/27/09
    You hit that on the nail, Cayble,..  JCitizen | 06/28/09
    Blu-ray vs DVD  Igor Alexander | 09/28/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  shunfu dragon | 06/27/09
    They'll never do that  AzuMao | 06/28/09
    Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  interested_amateur@... | 06/27/09
    Now I finally realize why the market has BDs...  JCitizen | 06/28/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  Gyula Bognar, Jr. | 06/29/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  Cardhu | 06/30/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  Chrissd | 07/02/09
    Hardware based  AzuMao | 07/02/09
    Upgrade treadmill  Igor Alexander | 09/28/09
    Of course...  JCitizen | 09/30/09
    I've got no compelling reasons to go Blu  Boot_Agnostic | 07/24/09
    RE: Blu-ray buzzkill: the death-spiral  nightmission | 07/27/09

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