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June 26th, 2009

Blu-ray's Blo-tards bite back

Posted by Robin Harris @ 7:30 pm

Categories: Disk drives, Marketing

Tags: Robin Harris

Someone hired the PR/lobbying firm Corporate Advocates to bite back at Storage Bits. Their message: the Harris Poll on Blu-ray was wrong about the number of homes with Blu-ray players.

A fact, it so happens, I never mentioned. But blow enough Blu-smoke and people will forget what they see with their own eyes?

I don’t think so.

Free speech isn’t free
Good thing our corporate overlords can afford the drivel that CorpAds is shoveling:

. . . the dramatic increase in Blu-ray Disc hardware and software sales clearly indicate that the format has in fact reached critical mass (surpassing even DVD penetration at the same point in DVD’s lifespan). . . .

[emphasis mine]

If today’s Blu-ray is what “critical mass” looks like, please don’t show me failure. That would be too scary.

The CorpAds point is that the Harris Poll numbers don’t square with manufacturer numbers. But Storage Bits never mentioned those numbers because they aren’t important.

Update: I’ve published the full text of the CorpAds email so you can read it for yourself. End update.

Update 2: The “evidence” that Blu-ray adoption beats DVD is based on the combined sales of BD players and PS3 consoles. Really, how many people buy PS3’s to play BD disks? Even if it is 20% - a high number - that puts Blu-ray well behind DVD. And ignores the fact that follow-ons usually do better: TV over radio; DVD over VHS; Google over Yahoo etc. End update 2.

So what is important?
Intentions. Harris asked people what they intended to do - and by a wide margin, people don’t much care about Blu-ray: player buying intentions are down; disk buying is lukewarm.

How could that be?

Because you don’t need Blu-ray to get high-def content. HD channels on cable; HD downloads from Netflix, Apple and others; and really good upscaling from Oppo Digital are all good substitutes for Blu-ray.

Price is the issue
All things being equal, consumers would rather have Blu-ray’s slightly better picture. But not if they have to pay a big premium for it.

People will shell out an extra $50 for Blu-ray capability. But Hollywood’s money is in the disks.

In the Harris poll, fully 68% of Blu-ray player or PS3 owners disagreed with the statement “I purchase movies on Blu-ray format regardless of price.” 68%!!!

These are the folks - like me - who own a Blu-ray player and some disks.

If the early adopters aren’t sold why will John Q. Public jump on this? He won’t. Like me he’ll get a few BD disks, think they look nice, and then go back to DVDs.

The Storage Bits take
Most new media fail. Historically, less than ΒΌ of new media achieve broad acceptance.

Blu-ray can still succeed with consumers, but vendors need to reduce prices. Of course, then Blu-ray may not be an economic success for vendors.

Oh well. Welcome to the free market. Say hi to your friends on Wall Street.

Update 3: I want to see Blu-ray succeed, mostly because I want to see a convenient 50 GB removable disk succeed. I’m not anti-Blu-ray, I’m anti-dumb. End update 3.

Comments welcome, of course. For historical perspective on new media, the curious might enjoy my wonkish review of an MIT Press book New Media, 1740-1915.

Robin HarrisRobin Harris has been messing with computers for over 30 years and selling and marketing data storage for over 20 in companies large and small. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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NO WAY...
...Will I pay double the price for a slight increase in resolution.

I HAVE a HDTV set.

I HAVE HDTV sources.

I HAVE Blueray capabilities (in my laptop)

I HAVE borrowed a Blu... (Read the rest)
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How to make Blu-ray a success  davebarnes | 06/26/09
Make that $99 for a player and $20 for a *new* movie...  wolf_z | 06/27/09
Two years ago..  CaW2 | 06/27/09
Not just the player and Content but the TV and Sound too  voska1 | 06/29/09
Not Necessarily  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
Not really  DeusExMachina | 06/29/09
Are You An Idiot?  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
ad hominem  DeusExMachina | 07/01/09
LOL  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 07/23/09
Not main stream though  voska1 | 06/29/09
I Would  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
If..  CaW2 | 06/29/09
good luck with that  Linux Geek | 06/29/09
It does make sense...  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
Keep Dreaming..  GetReal-mac.com | 06/29/09
A Better Option  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
Almost perfect....  sgmunson | 06/29/09
You certainly kill a lot business with #3  mrlinux | 06/30/09
There Will Always Be Someone  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/30/09
I own a BR player and have 3 BR movies ....  wackoae | 06/26/09
making the Blu version downloadable  rparker009 | 06/29/09
RE: Blu-ray's Blo-tards bite back  CaW2 | 06/26/09
Adams Research....  CaW2 | 06/26/09
HD Streaming takes a lot of bandwidth  Patanjali | 06/28/09
When Was The Last Time You Bought A HD?  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
I'm with you... downloads are for MP3 etc  GetReal-mac.com | 06/29/09
The real test.............  TonyOz | 06/27/09
One more thing on HD-DVD and Toshiba  TonyOz | 06/27/09
BDs were cheaper when HD-DVD was around  Patanjali | 06/28/09
niche products  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
Stupid example  DeusExMachina | 06/29/09
You Have No Idea What You're Babbling About  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
I know exactly what I am talking about  DeusExMachina | 06/29/09
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Improper how?  DeusExMachina | 07/01/09
LOL, He Still Can't Figure It Out  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 07/23/09
you have a wrong statment  rparker009 | 06/29/09
Well If You Wanna Get Technical About It  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
Clueless  DeusExMachina | 07/01/09
More Rambling Idiocy  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 07/23/09
Correct  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
Sony keeping prices high I got a ? for you  Randalllind | 06/27/09
Same old BS FUD  CaW2 | 06/27/09
Says the guy with the 100" projection TV (apparently)  Zogg | 06/27/09
Works like a miracle on a 52" Samsung LCD.  Cayble | 06/27/09
It's a question of screen size  Zogg | 06/27/09
I sit closer to a 40" HD  Patanjali | 06/28/09
You're An Idiot  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
@ mad: And you're a belligerent ass  DeusExMachina | 07/01/09
Deus Ex Retard Fumbles All Over The Place  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 07/23/09
Here is the point your compersion misses  rparker009 | 06/29/09
Jealous are we?  CaW2 | 06/27/09
Probably trying to rationalise their position  Patanjali | 06/28/09
Pragmatism is not jealousy  Zogg | 06/28/09
What? You mean it's not true?  Patanjali | 06/28/09
RE: Blu-ray's Blo-tards bite back  DannyO_0x98 | 06/27/09
Danny . . .  JLHenry | 06/29/09
RE: Blu-ray's Blo-tards bite back  j-mccurdy@... | 06/27/09
Upconversion is NOT HD  CaW2 | 06/27/09
Or not.  Zogg | 06/27/09
28-in is far from a REAL HD set  CaW2 | 06/27/09
Of course the set was 720p  Zogg | 06/28/09
Upconverting is typically "good enough" for under 50" TV  Cayble | 06/27/09
And no one is forcing...  CaW2 | 06/27/09
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What are you, a Parrot?!?!? (nt)  JLHenry | 06/29/09
Not always . . .  JLHenry | 06/29/09
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DVD prices  CaW2 | 06/27/09
Where?  TripleII | 06/27/09
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Guess again . . .  JLHenry | 06/29/09
The titles I bought over the ....  CaW2 | 06/29/09
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The question is . . .  JLHenry | 06/29/09
maybe bankruptcy...  CaW2 | 06/29/09
DVDs second best compared to free HD TV  Patanjali | 06/28/09
Why does it have to be all or nothing  aalhc5@... | 06/27/09
Agreed; there in is the reality.  Cayble | 06/27/09
Probably the install base (especially PS3) that won the HD war  Patanjali | 06/28/09
Full text of Corporate Advocates email  Robin HarrisZDNet Moderator | 06/27/09
Ok, I'll bite...  CaW2 | 06/27/09
But BD even made a 852x480 plasma look much better  Patanjali | 06/28/09
Who cares about BluRay anyway?  itpro_z | 06/27/09
Sony is EVIL I tell ya, EVIL I tell ya...  CaW2 | 06/27/09
Arrogance is not limited to Sony  itpro_z | 06/27/09
My home is more than a theater  CaW2 | 06/28/09
death of BluRay every three months...  ericesque | 06/28/09
And what . . .  JLHenry | 06/29/09
It Went Over Yer Head  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
"a premium product"  itpro_z | 06/29/09
Same FUD from 2 years ago  CaW2 | 06/29/09
Now you are losing it  itpro_z | 06/29/09
Not to mention exposing the world to the perils of ROOTKITS. Thanks Sony!!  invmgr@... | 06/29/09
Or what about Intel serializing every Pentium...  CaW2 | 06/29/09
you are correct  pinecone69 | 08/07/09
I was more convinced before reading this rebuttal  ericesque | 06/28/09
RE: Blu-ray's Blo-tards bite back  Salonikios | 06/29/09
He isn't clueless on that point.. but he is on others  condelirios | 06/29/09
Every film shot in 35mm in the history....  CaW2 | 06/29/09
Making ASSumptions  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
You are way off bASS(intentional) here  CaW2 | 06/29/09
You Really Have No Idea At All  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
Well Duh???  CaW2 | 06/29/09
Again, You Really Have No Idea  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
Most of the public . . .  JLHenry | 06/29/09
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If Sony . . .  JLHenry | 06/29/09
35mm film  Salonikios | 06/29/09
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One of the reasons...  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
RE: Blu-ray's Blo-tards bite back  alsw | 06/29/09
Or here is another option...  CaW2 | 06/29/09
You're misinterpreting the facts...  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
There are bargains out there...  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
Upgrades?  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
No  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
And those codecs are just fine with a ...  CaW2 | 06/29/09
Actually...  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
And even you admitted the processing...  CaW2 | 06/29/09
The Problem With Blu-Ray  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
HD is the future  CaW2 | 06/29/09
HD might be the future, but...  Zogg | 06/30/09
The Problem With Trying To Predict The Future  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/30/09
Must have hit a nerve with D-bag here  CaW2 | 06/30/09
CaW2's Kooky Little Meltdown  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/30/09
Answer the question F@CKHATTER  CaW2 | 06/30/09
Sounds like a lie...  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
If you can't see the difference...  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
sour grapes  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
"Can't justify the cost"...  Zogg | 06/30/09
RE: Blu-ray's Blo-tards bite back  matthewcarr@... | 06/29/09
RE: Blu-ray's Blo-tards bite back  paullwhite@... | 06/29/09
upconversion can be acceptable  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
What the hell...  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
Could you possibly . . .  JLHenry | 06/29/09
You know nothing about movies...  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
"Don't you know that 35mm is ...  CaW2 | 06/29/09
I Feel Kinda Sorry For Them  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
agreed  GrizzledGeezer | 06/29/09
RE: sour grapes  CaW2 | 06/29/09
Technically Speaking  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
Buying into HD DVD now...  CaW2 | 06/29/09
Now on THAT . . .  JLHenry | 06/29/09
WRONG Again!  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
There was far more Beta...  CaW2 | 06/29/09
Is This Reliable?  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 06/29/09
Re: Is this reliable?  CaW2 | 06/29/09
RE: Blu-ray's Blo-tards bite back  bastien@... | 06/29/09
There is this store...  CaW2 | 06/29/09
Not wrong to include PS 3's  sharky9595 | 07/12/09
Elementary School Support For Blu-Ray  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 07/23/09
RE: Poor assumptions  Tachyon | 07/25/09
NO WAY...  Uncle Stoat | 08/09/09

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