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August 3rd, 2009

HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter

Posted by Robin Harris @ 3:13 pm

Categories: Disk drives, Marketing

Tags: HD-DVD, Blu-ray, China Blue Hi-definition Disk, Government, Hd Dvd, DVD, Consumer Electronics, Vertical Industries, Personal Technology, Home Entertainment

Just when Blu-ray thought it had clear sailing, a tempest has risen in the East: China Blue Hi-definition Disk (CBHD). Toshiba has licensed its HD DVD to them and it will be the unit world leader in HD optical technology in just 12 months.

Why? The Times Online reports that the CBHD players are outselling Blu-ray in China by 3-1 and the CBHD disks cost a quarter of Blu-ray.

Blu-ray, we hardly knew ye
What happened to Blu-ray’s dominance? Blu-ray’s dominance.

Conceived by Sony at a time when few thought upscaling would succeed, the idea was that HDTVs would require HD content on optical media. Reliving the glory days of DVD adoption they forecast tens of billions in revenue from players and disks, enormous licensing fees and consumer-proof DRM.

Watching the CD business crater, studio thought that HD would drive their business to new heights while eliminating piracy. It was an optical gold rush - that has turned into a mirage.

The fundamental problem is that the slightly sharper HD picture isn’t worth the extra dollars. 10%-15% max.

Enter the dragon
China has good reasons to support a home-grown HD format. First, the exorbitant Blu-ray royalties hurts Chinese manufacturers ability to compete on price.

An equally important, but unspoken, issue is the econoclypse. The Chinese government has made a deal with the Chinese people: leave us in control and we’ll deliver rising living standards. The current slow down has hit China hard: millions have been laid off and economic growth is anemic.

CBHD is a double win for the Chinese government: billions saved in royalties; and a much cheaper, locally manufactured, luxury item for the restless masses. Blu-ray is simply collateral damage.

Studio knuckle-draggers no doubt are salivating at a tough new form of Region encoding: incompatible formats for the West and Asia. But will that really work?

English is the #2 language in Asia, so English-language CBHDs will be popular. Shanghai vendors will happily sell CBHD players and disks on Ebay. The economics are irresistible and, other than the studios, who will turn down HD content at DVD prices?

The Storage Bits take
Toshiba’s gambit is brilliant. Instead of taking a total loss on their billion-dollar HD DVD investment, they’ll get incremental revenue and, no doubt, valuable future consideration from the Chinese government.

It is a nice win for the Chinese government and manufacturers. Blu-ray’s high cost has slowed its acceptance to a crawl, so Chinese CBHD players will rapidly climb down the cost curve to prices lower than DVD-only players since they aren’t paying DVD royalties either.

The studios get a couple of years to make some money on Chinese CBHD releases, but will piracy disappear? Not anytime soon.

The big loser is the Blu-ray camp. Boo-hoo. They’ve consistently misjudged the market and Blu-ray’s appeal. Guys, I’m sorry you made a bad business decision, but it’s time to man up and take your write-offs.

CBHD vendors should not ignore the writable CBHD market. Many consumers would like something larger than DVDs for backup and much cheaper - and more compatible - than Blu-ray.

Here’s hoping the CBHD storage market is running wild by this time next year. CBHD will be the world’s #1 format in unit volume by next year.

Comments welcome, of course. Who vetted that name? China Blue was Kathleen Turner’s alter-ego in Ken Russell’s outrageous Crimes of Passion. A prostitute by night, hard-charging professional woman by day and a constant temptation to Tony Perkins’ street preacher, she is certainly not a character the prudish Chinese government would endorse.

Robin HarrisRobin Harris has been messing with computers for over 30 years and selling and marketing data storage for over 20 in companies large and small. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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the big arghuement against BR was always the royalty thing. Any new format will be costly, but the studios saw blu ray as a) a means to screw EVERYONE in the whole food chain and b) ram DRM down everyones throats

epic fail... (Read the rest)
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Well researched  Ashtonian | 08/03/09
Wrong  Bobulon | 08/05/09
TOSHIBA JOINING THE BDA  CaW2 | 08/10/09
One big problem for BluRay  A.Sinic | 08/11/09
time to wipe the mold off your...  CaW2 | 08/11/09
I own both HD and BD. IMHO, Blu-ray is doomed...  BillDem | 08/13/09
Way to feed the ignorance.  dgurney | 08/16/09
Way to feed the ignorance, indeed...  minardi | 09/10/09
...  paul_bruford@... | 09/11/09
So is my HD-DVD player dead or not?  eggmanbubbagee@... | 08/03/09
I would be shocked....  oncall | 08/03/09
Agree - HD is still dead, but so is BD...  BillDem | 08/13/09
Stream what and how?  GetReal-mac.com | 08/13/09
Hum, let see..  minardi | 09/10/09
More cheerleading for rip-offs  dgurney | 08/16/09
CBHD and HD-DVD aren't quite the same.  hungryjoe | 08/03/09
Unlikely  Richard Flude | 08/03/09
Blu-ray is quite alive in Australia  MyBlueRex | 08/04/09
Like that new glass house?  wolf_z | 08/04/09
I knew this format war wasn't over yet...  shadfurman | 08/04/09
The war is over. The generals just won't go home. Typical MS garbage. (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
@ No More Microsoft Software Ever!..Time to take your pills...  transposeIT | 08/06/09
Pills not needed. Fact is we all make money. Deal with it loser!!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/10/09
Blu-ray dropped the price of regular DVD rather effectively though  nigebj | 08/05/09
It's not just your age.  darkonc | 08/05/09
Wow...  James T. Kirk | 08/04/09
A better comparison  BillShepp | 08/04/09
Does it really?  p0figster | 08/04/09
Digital copy  BillShepp | 08/04/09
Finally...  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
Why would I bother to buy a movie  Yax_to_the_Max | 08/04/09
the point is........  cymru999 | 08/04/09
yes but...  shadfurman | 08/04/09
@p0figster  shadfurman | 08/04/09
WHo in their right mind  gnesterenko | 08/04/09
Please. Walmart is so hillbilly! Might as well shop at K-Mart! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
$8? Did you rent them?  erikswanson | 08/11/09
Not proof of anything  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
The Mark of Failure used here is...  DaemonSlayer | 08/04/09
Well that was just silly.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Where?  erikswanson | 08/11/09
Comparison from the UK  TV John | 08/18/09
cant be upgraded by firmware updates? HUH?  aktazdevil | 08/04/09
kinda like a math co-processor huh.  shadfurman | 08/04/09
Actually no  Richard Flude | 08/04/09
CBHD  Peter Perry | 08/04/09
I wouldnt dump it yet.  aktazdevil | 08/04/09
Nope  DaemonSlayer | 08/04/09
Absolutely but this isn't new...  Peter Perry | 08/04/09
Provides me with another excuse  davebarnes | 08/03/09
Excuse to not buy anything at all  Zaranyzerak | 08/03/09
Exactly!  terry flores | 08/04/09
Actually...  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
so you support a country that  CaW2 | 08/05/09
If not walmart  Playos | 08/05/09
Excuse to not buy anything at all  bwchato | 08/04/09
Oooh! Evil Sony!  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
being big does not immunise you against being evil  cymru999 | 08/04/09
Campaign away! Just make some point.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Sony bad practices---why "war" won't be easy!!!  dshell102 | 08/06/09
And Sony Rocks! Microsoft is the one to be wary of! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
What you said...  psquare11 | 08/06/09
CBHD or not  happyharry_z | 08/03/09
What rock are you sleeping under?  Zaranyzerak | 08/03/09
What were the TOTAL sales figures?  Letophoro | 08/03/09
Absolutely right.... and ....  russc@... | 08/03/09
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You thought they would say anything else?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/04/09
Nope, and cool with that.  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
Sorry - HD DVD and Microsoft has lost the war. Get over it (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
I use Netflix  mjolnar@... | 08/04/09
No you didn't  BillShepp | 08/04/09
The uselessness of numbers in the wrong contexts  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Zaranyzerak should read DeusExMachina's POST  Scoonie | 08/04/09
That makes no sense.  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
It makes perfect sense  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Love the hypocrisy...  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
Indeed  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
PROOF. Blu-ray is doing just fine.  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
Good day, indeed  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
DeusExMachina Has It Right  Cardhu | 08/06/09
Where is the relevance?  Tim.M | 08/06/09
@cardhu: ORLY?  Tim.M | 08/06/09
DeusExMachina - ramble much?? (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/06/09
Yes but  RenoT35 | 08/06/09
Yes, but  terry flores | 08/06/09
Zing!  Tim.M | 08/06/09
FTR  DeusExMachina | 08/06/09
Yes but....had my post removed.....  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/10/09
re: DeusExMachina's post  TV John | 08/19/09
That old Sony two sided coin again.  LeeC | 08/04/09
Also worth considering  voyager529 | 08/04/09
???????????  jemd@... | 08/10/09
Read.  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
My experience over the weekend...  wolf_z | 08/04/09
I went in to . . .  JLHenry | 08/04/09
How long did it take for DVD to catch on?  xXSpeedzXx | 08/04/09
Timely doesn't mean that  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Walmart is for hillbillys. Go to BlockBuster, Hollywood or Sears even! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Thank you for confirming...  wolf_z | 08/10/09
Ouch !!  aktazdevil | 08/04/09
Blu-ray catching on faster than DVD  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
I can't believe...  LeeC | 08/04/09
Sigh...  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
These are all Microsoft shills. They can't stand that MS lost the DVD war.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Perfect example of why business degrees mean zero  gnesterenko | 08/04/09
Of Macro and Predicate Calculus 101  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Yeah, but your 'views' are likely to hurt your employer and get you canned!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Again with the trolling  DeusExMachina | 08/05/09
ahem...  DaemonSlayer | 08/04/09
What rock are you sleeping under?  bwchato | 08/04/09
"Sony's Crap"  BillShepp | 08/04/09
Actually...  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
"Sony's Crap"  bwchato | 08/04/09
Maybe it's your karma? My Sony stuff has lasted over 15 years! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Sony are a great company....  GetReal-mac.com | 08/13/09
Sony is not the exclusive owner of Blu-Ray  JazzGuyy | 08/05/09
Yes. I'm happy I have money too. Thanks! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
What's all this talk about breaking out the wallet?  Yax_to_the_Max | 08/04/09
What's all this talk about breaking out the wallet?  bwchato | 08/04/09
Re: What rock are you sleeping under?  llemm | 08/04/09
You're living in fantasy land!  Peter Perry | 08/04/09
I thought Blu-ray was already dead....  geo19 | 08/03/09
Who is the fool?  Economister | 08/03/09
Porn will save us all!  Zaranyzerak | 08/03/09
Porn is the canary  john.lemme@... | 08/04/09
oh sure  gnesterenko | 08/04/09
So then you agree that HD DVD is dead to?  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Porn will save us all  vermonter | 08/04/09
XD  goff256 | 08/04/09
Wrong  geo19 | 08/03/09
Doubly wrong  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Dominoes won't fall  BillShepp | 08/04/09
Pornography and HD  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Dude...you need help! Help even I don't think I can give you. Call Sarah !  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Billy Goats Gruff  DeusExMachina | 08/05/09
Unless you manufacture your own goods  Boot_Agnostic | 08/04/09
Ever been on the internet, fool?  p0figster | 08/04/09
The issue is one of content  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Have you lost your mind?  Peter Perry | 08/04/09
No  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Actually they won't just ignore it...  Peter Perry | 08/08/09
will never see the light of day outside china ?? are you nuts?  aktazdevil | 08/04/09
And the only reason so cheap there  DaemonSlayer | 08/04/09
Poor Sony  javajunkie@... | 08/03/09
Guess again  Lerianis10 | 08/03/09
RE: Technical knowledge of forum participants  john.lemme@... | 08/04/09
ZD/CBS paid bloggers  DaemonSlayer | 08/04/09
Gee. I can put a key to my MS HD-DVD and it still works!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
The outrage was limited to 50 people. Microsoft folks I presume.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  Zaranyzerak | 08/03/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  bwchato | 08/04/09
Wow...  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
Wow.  bwchato | 08/04/09
Only if you don't see value in  goff256 | 08/04/09
Yowzes. Efm Imn galobbabuyin thezzez BluRay ummszzz. (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Yes. Blue Ray is King. Microsoft and their HD DVD spurt is limp. (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Excelent article  SinfoCOMAR | 08/03/09
Well, I can see a possible scenario here  Economister | 08/03/09
Correct.  Robin HarrisZDNet Moderator | 08/03/09
Zip disk was a failure  Randalllind | 08/03/09
RE failure?  JakAttak | 08/04/09
They were a one-trick pony though ...  mwagner@... | 08/04/09
Sorry - Zip was a failure.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Iomego made bazillions on Zip  jackbond | 08/06/09
Uh, no....  Stuka | 08/04/09
/me recalls "click of death"  ~doolittle~ | 08/04/09
/me recalls "click of death"  bwchato | 08/04/09
Trust me sweetie! IoMega and ZIP drives had LOTS of problems.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Yes but IOmega and Zip are long dead now  mwagner@... | 08/04/09
Blu-ray discs are falling check Amazon.  Randalllind | 08/05/09
HD-DVD was cheaper and still lost  Randalllind | 08/03/09
Studios Killed HD DVD  kyron.gustafson@... | 08/04/09
Yeah, yeah yeah! Just like everyone loves Microsoft!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
What a MAJOR NUTCASE  t5j1sr | 08/13/09
bingo cheap HD storage 30 something gig  Quebec-french | 08/04/09
bingo cheap HD storage 30 something gig  bwchato | 08/04/09
Mr Harris so needs this to be true.  DaveBG  | 08/03/09
Couldn't have said it better myself.  geo19 | 08/03/09
Try reading the subtext....apparently not something you do! (NT_  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
Well......  Economister | 08/03/09
Well......  bwchato | 08/04/09
You forget one thing grasshopper.  DaemonSlayer | 08/04/09
You've completely mixed apples and oranges here.  terry flores | 08/04/09
He is a Microsoft Fanboi...he can't make a rational thought! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
I'm not here to spoonfeed you.  DaveBG  | 08/06/09
Hilarious!  Robin HarrisZDNet Moderator | 08/03/09
Sounds like you've rattled the cages ...  thx-1138_@... | 08/04/09
Hilarious!  bwchato | 08/04/09
The home vid...  CaW2 | 08/05/09
The home vid...  bwchato | 08/05/09
Amazon and even B&M...  CaW2 | 08/05/09
Funniest Post Ever!  aintnosin | 08/05/09
"Blurry"? Spoken like a true 15 year old fanboy.  DaveBG  | 08/06/09
GRUDGING ACCEPTANCE  erikswanson | 08/11/09
Robin why do you hate Blu-ray so much?  Randalllind | 08/03/09
Robin why do you hate Blu-ray so much?  bwchato | 08/04/09
So....  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
So...  bwchato | 08/04/09
Hollywood is in for piracy trouble...  mrlinux | 08/04/09
Sorry but no  Quebec-french | 08/04/09
My point...  mrlinux | 08/04/09
yep  Scoonie | 08/04/09
Error in logic  DaemonSlayer | 08/04/09
Like piracy isn't a problem already?  HypnoToad72 | 08/04/09
Yes but Blu-Ray was suppose to stop or at least  mrlinux | 08/10/09
Shocking But The Truth is Stranger Than Fiction  sandmanfvr | 08/04/09
"but $30 or close to it for every movie gets OLD fast"  absent | 08/04/09
ever heard of Amazon...  CaW2 | 08/05/09
So you'd rather buy a new player every time?  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
Updates are part of the symptom  terry flores | 08/04/09
Internet isn't the only way to update  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
Why do I need Blu-ray in a car?  terry flores | 08/04/09
Updates Are the Problem  sandmanfvr | 08/05/09
Overpriced Blu Ray players  goff256 | 08/04/09
Uh, yeah....  sandmanfvr | 08/05/09
So, to my understanding...  goff256 | 08/05/09
So Mature...  sandmanfvr | 08/06/09
What I'm saying is  goff256 | 08/06/09
Standards  sandmanfvr | 08/07/09
If you want the awesome technology  goff256 | 08/07/09
Exactly! New technology costs more!  erikswanson | 08/11/09
Don't get me started on this!  Peter Perry | 08/04/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  3parfarley | 08/04/09
History lesson  riverwolf | 08/04/09
History Lesson # 2  ptcruisergt | 08/04/09
History Lesson #3  mrlinux | 08/04/09
BetaCAM, not BetaMAX  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
BetaMax totally tanked! Therefore Gloom and Doom for Blu-ray!  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
You keep skipping over the difference between DVD and VHS  terry flores | 08/04/09
What did I skip?  riverwolf | 08/05/09
Just to clarify  DeusExMachina | 08/05/09
Personally  kcredden2 | 08/04/09
You hate the format war...  goff256 | 08/04/09
I'm ready to junk my blu-ray  GeiselS@... | 08/04/09
$4.95?  Peter Perry | 08/04/09
$4.95?  bwchato | 08/04/09
In five years SD content...  CaW2 | 08/05/09
HD-DVD is dead in the US  Maarek | 08/04/09
A small inaccuracy in your statement  terry flores | 08/04/09
Actually...  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
Exactly.  CaW2 | 08/05/09
Diehard? No, just a realist.  terry flores | 08/06/09
Excuse me?  Bramton1 | 08/06/09
the public...  CaW2 | 08/05/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  compserv111@... | 08/04/09
Yeah... but...  condelirios | 08/04/09
Response  compserv111@... | 08/04/09
At least it's cheaper  User 13 | 08/04/09
*facepalm*  goff256 | 08/04/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  e_ecruz | 08/04/09
Sigh, embarrassing US colloquialism  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Actually...  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
In fact....  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Sigh some more!  e_ecruz | 08/04/09
So, this is a good thing, right?  terry flores | 08/04/09
Market  e_ecruz | 08/04/09
Head to desk  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Don't head to desk, the sanitarium is for you!  e_ecruz | 08/04/09
The quicksand of logic and fact  DeusExMachina | 08/05/09
India, hmm.  terry flores | 08/06/09
That is true, but FTR  DeusExMachina | 08/06/09
IPSO FACTO  Scoonie | 08/04/09
Re pricing  Hate Malware | 08/04/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  swilson191@... | 08/04/09
Exactly  rjplummer | 08/04/09
Not everything  dake1@... | 08/04/09
What?  goff256 | 08/04/09
those types of things  erikswanson | 08/11/09
No, no  goff256 | 08/14/09
One small problem...  Peter Perry | 08/04/09
Streaming media  e_ecruz | 08/04/09
Sony repeats the Betamax conundrum  lalogos | 08/04/09
 goff256 | 08/04/09
Will serve Sony and allies right!  r.u.FED.up.2 | 08/04/09
Reticent doesn't mean hesitant  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
grammar troll  erikswanson | 08/11/09
Include a "Free" DVD  erikswanson | 08/11/09
And in the end, it all becomes meaningless  richard233 | 08/04/09
This makes no sense  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Maybe because he hides his porn under the bed  terry flores | 08/04/09
Just for the record  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
It's not about the character...  Technogeez | 08/04/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  jeffk464 | 08/04/09
Affordable format is here  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
Everyone goes from the past  goff256 | 08/04/09
direct tv  jeffk464 | 08/04/09
@Zaranyzerak  Scoonie | 08/04/09
No.  Zaranyzerak | 08/04/09
There is another possibility...  Zogg | 08/06/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  jeffk464 | 08/04/09
RedBox has Blu-ray  BillShepp | 08/04/09
oh  jeffk464 | 08/04/09
redbox  jeffk464 | 08/04/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  jeffk464 | 08/04/09
BLU-RAY IS DEAD. NEWS AT ELEVEN.  JoshNorton | 08/04/09
Actually, it did.  terry flores | 08/06/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  p.goovaerts@... | 08/04/09
I'm not buying Blu-ray. But then, I didn't buy 8-track, Betamax or video di  geminixx | 08/04/09
It's Chinese  SamHobbs | 08/04/09
You buy Chinese every day, whether you know or not.  terry flores | 08/06/09
I always find this type of thing funny  goff256 | 08/04/09
prescience  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
But... Blu Ray was declared dead at least once already....  goff256 | 08/04/09
And?  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
True  goff256 | 08/05/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  shanedr | 08/04/09
How dare they mark up the prices  goff256 | 08/04/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  bladem43 | 08/04/09
Before you start slinging the insults...  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  Grahajmrjohnson | 08/04/09
You're right  goff256 | 08/04/09
You keep saying this same thing  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
But the market doesn't disagree with me.  goff256 | 08/04/09
I never claimed anything to the contrary  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
At this point  goff256 | 08/04/09
XP/Vista - Win7  DeusExMachina | 08/05/09
author of this article is a joke  bladem43 | 08/04/09
And  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
When will Sony realise that the consumers are not simply a cash cow?  cymru999 | 08/04/09
CHINA HD-DVD, NOT MICROSOFT!  XweAponX | 08/04/09
That was just dumb  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
You are an idiot monsieur!  e_ecruz | 08/04/09
I disagree  Hate Malware | 08/04/09
et tu ecruz, et abi et futue te ipsum!  DeusExMachina | 08/04/09
Franzosich  Hate Malware | 08/04/09
Seriously?  Bramton1 | 08/06/09
Microsoft can't compete. Hence the CBHD. Sour grapes if you ask me. (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 08/05/09
misinformed  Xtant | 08/06/09
Why do so many people care what happens to Sony?  terry flores | 08/04/09
VCD was huge in Asia too, which I don't think made any dent in DVD  jjorgensen | 08/04/09
@shadfurman  Scoonie | 08/04/09
Thanks, Robin  pinecone69 | 08/04/09
yeah... thanks for ...  CaW2 | 08/05/09
And despite...  thx-1138_@... | 08/05/09
What hit count?  pinecone69 | 08/05/09
The Cheap option! At Last! Sony thought they finally had a win for DRM...  PsyBeats | 08/04/09
"consumers would like something larger than DVDs for backup...  rileinc | 08/05/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  tniemi@... | 08/05/09
A well-reasoned argument here?  terry flores | 08/05/09
I think what he's saying is  goff256 | 08/05/09
And HD-DVD was made by ...  terry flores | 08/06/09
This isn't about the original HD-DVD  goff256 | 08/06/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  CanslerForce | 08/05/09
don't you know  CaW2 | 08/05/09
Apparently, the only way Robin...  CaW2 | 08/05/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  aintnosin | 08/05/09
there is some common sense here...  CaW2 | 08/05/09
and now China tries...  CaW2 | 08/05/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  rmaune@... | 08/05/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  sam54 | 08/05/09
re: HD DVD durability...  CaW2 | 08/05/09
Huh?  jgwinner | 08/05/09
whoops - I hate this forum software - NT  jgwinner | 08/05/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  davefm@... | 08/05/09
Harris You're An Idiot  Bobulon | 08/05/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  Dave_Wright | 08/05/09
With its excessive royalties  Mythos7 | 08/05/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  LSMcGraw | 08/05/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  sherril@... | 08/05/09
This is a joke right?  asterix2112 | 08/06/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  Bramton1 | 08/06/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  lovemagic | 08/06/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  RenoT35 | 08/06/09
HD DVD was the more superior format...  transposeIT | 08/06/09
In what was was HD-DVD superior?!?  DeusExMachina | 08/07/09
BluRay is dying  Macintoshtoffy | 08/07/09
New Zealand shapes world events!  goff256 | 08/07/09
More than you know... [NT]  konkreet | 08/07/09
Grade 'A' Moron Alert!  Macintoshtoffy | 08/08/09
A little unfair, but NZ IS a secondary market  DaveBG  | 08/08/09
My point was that...  goff256 | 08/08/09
What point?  thx-1138_@... | 08/08/09
It's starting to pick up faster, actually, than I thought.  goff256 | 08/08/09
Ah so!  thx-1138_@... | 08/08/09
Fails to address the point I raised  Macintoshtoffy | 08/08/09
Go look at Dave's post, he did the awesome legwork for me happy  goff256 | 08/09/09
Re: Macintoshtoffy - "Fails to address the point I raised"  DaveBG  | 08/14/09
Re: NZ and stellar DVD take-off  DaveBG  | 08/09/09
Sorry, forgot the link!  DaveBG  | 08/09/09
unsupported formats?  Uncle Stoat | 08/09/09
Toshiba JOINING THE BDA, SO IT'S DOOM for Blu-r...  CaW2 | 08/10/09
Robin "Often Wrong" Harris  aintnosin | 08/10/09
Harris is like...  CaW2 | 08/10/09
It's all part of Toshiba's plan I tells ya!  DaveBG  | 08/10/09
Maybe Toshiba is going...  CaW2 | 08/10/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  dealshunt | 08/10/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  dhays | 08/10/09
If Blu-ray was...  CaW2 | 08/10/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  greggwon@... | 08/10/09
Toshiba Couldn?t Beat 'Em, Joins Blu-Ray  kraterz | 08/10/09
When technology inproves, prices go up?  erikswanson | 08/11/09
I think you need to read up on Moore's Law  DaveBG  | 08/13/09
BD still better  ncted | 08/13/09
And one more thing......  DaveBG  | 08/14/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  tleewade | 08/14/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  Jeff Hayes | 08/15/09
Hopefully the Movie industry won't go the way of the music industry  supernova_GA | 08/18/09
RE: HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter  daves1646 | 09/10/09

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