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October 11th, 2009

Optical storage: RIP

Posted by Robin Harris @ 9:51 pm

Categories: Disk drives, Infrastructure

Tags: Hard Drive, Disk, Capacity, Storage, Blu-ray, BD, TDK, Robin Harris

TDK recently demo’d an impressive technical achievement: a 10 layer 320 GB optical disk - using standard Blu-ray (BD) drive technology.

Too bad it will never be a commercial success. Optical is at the end of the line.

Why do formats die?
When their reliability, capacity, performance, density and cost aren’t competitive. Which is where optical is now - even 320 GB optical.

You probably don’t remember punched paper tape - all the rage in the 60s and early 70s - but it was popular on 16 bit minicomputers back when 4k of RAM was respectable and 64k unaffordable. It was limited to a few dozen KB of capacity and not reliable in long-term use, so when 240KB 8” floppies arrived in 1973 paper tape was toast.

But floppies couldn’t keep up with the growth of applications and data sets. The 100 MB Zip drive was insanely popular when introduced in 1994, but by 1999 the format was on the way out thanks to cheaper and more capacious CD-R drives.

Despite heroic efforts to increase removable magnetic disk capacities - culminating in 2001 with the 5.7 GB Orb drive - today removable magnetic disk media is dead, killed by cheaper optical and more convenient flash media. Just like magnetic killed paper.

Removable: backup and transfer
Removable media is good for 2 things: data backup and data transfer. Tape dominates removable media backup today with capacities rivaling the largest disks.

Thumb drives long ago replaced floppies for smaller file transfers - “sneakernet” - with external hard drives handling large capacities. With 1 TB 2.5” hard drives, even a writeable 50 GB Blu-ray (BD-R) can’t compete with a small hard drive in transfer speed or capacity.

TDK’s problem
Which gets us to the 10x Blu-ray problem: even if they started selling it there’s no market. Why?

  • Capacity. Successful optical media capacities have been competitive with current disks - CD-ROM in the early 90s; DVD-R in the early 2000s. Multi-layer Blu-ray will never be more than a small fraction of hard drive capacities.
  • Performance. 24x Blu-ray transfer rates are half that of today’s disks. And as capacities increase, disks get faster. Not so with Blu-ray: 48x, if it happens, will be the outer limit.
  • Reliability. Early adopters report that BD burner disks often don’t play on commercial players. That will get fixed, but multi-layer DB-R will have to solve it again.
  • Density. Managing a single piece of media is much simpler than managing 6 or 10. Hard drive density makes them much more convenient.
  • Cost. BD-playing DVD drives haven’t been popular on PCs, and BD burners are way more expensive, as is the media. A FireWire or USB hard drive can be had for less than $100, has much faster access times, higher capacity and faster data transfer. With volume BD-R prices will come down - but where will the volume come from?

Multi-layer BD-R has advantages, especially if current BD players can be updated to use it. But there is no commercial justification for distributing content on 320 GB optical disks and there isn’t likely to be one.

Hollywood has a real chance to make 3D work, but 3D HD movies will fit fine on BD. Put a 3D “Band of Brothers” on a single disk? OK, but really, getting up every 50 minutes to change disks isn’t so hard, is it?

The Storage Bits take
New optical formats will get introduced - like 750 MB Zip drives and 5.7 GB Orb drives did - but they’ll stumble around the fringes of consumer acceptance before a quiet death. Many of the same forces that are killing BD - downloading, upconverting, cost - are closing in on optical media in general.

DVDs will be around for years - even as CD-Rs still are - but the focus is shifting to online storage and local disks. The industry has yet to crack the code on massive home disk storage, but that day is coming.

You’ll buy HD 3D content online, download it, store it in your digital library, and watch it when and where you want. If your house floods your content suppliers will let you download again. Who needs the hassle to burn disks?

The one remaining piece is for hard drive vendors to get serious about building archive-quality hard disks. I love their technology, but they aren’t the most forward looking group.

Courteous comments welcome, of course. Anyone want to buy a vintage USB Zip drive?

Robin HarrisRobin Harris has been messing with computers for over 30 years and selling and marketing data storage for over 20 in companies large and small. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.


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a matter of definitions  mndsf890j | 10/12/09
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Fast is not everything. Remember the hare won the race.  windozefreak | 10/12/09
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Tape storage  DNSB | 10/12/09
...depends on the tape.  outpastpluto | 10/12/09
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Umm Really  codeguy007 | 10/12/09
Correction  dave@... | 10/13/09
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"quantum leap"  d.s.williams | 11/12/09
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BluRay  pjalm | 10/13/09
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Floppy Dilemma  rjeuch@... | 10/12/09
Won't be an issue going forward  Thunderbuck | 10/12/09
Some people NEED floppies  Wilburysfan | 10/12/09
What sort of machines are they? nt  Thunderbuck | 10/12/09
Type of machine  Wilburysfan | 10/13/09
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Blu-Ray is dead...  Narg | 10/12/09
Applications...  dave@... | 10/13/09
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Safety?  Narg | 10/12/09
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Netscape's "HD"...  dave@... | 10/13/09
For many people...  Thunderbuck | 10/12/09
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No more bloody computers, morning, noon and night  leegee | 10/12/09
Funny...  Narg | 10/12/09
They are already available.  nick@... | 10/12/09
Flash Memory  Budster1 | 10/12/09
Mine Does  WarhavenSC | 10/12/09
Now  trent1 | 10/12/09
Funny...  dave@... | 10/13/09
Video on USB stick  d.s.williams | 11/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  l.sarrazin@... | 10/12/09
Rediculous.  CaptOska | 10/12/09
Hard Drives Are More Expensive Than DVD R's  gccradioscience@... | 10/12/09
I guess it depends on how you define "dead"  Thunderbuck | 10/12/09
Well, yeah, but...  dave@... | 10/13/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  GpaKen | 10/12/09
still nice for consumers  marks055@... | 10/12/09
boycott ISPs  brandon@... | 10/12/09
Re: boycott ISPs  dan@... | 10/12/09
being stuck...  sir_cheats_alot@... | 10/12/09
I know the feeling I have satelite  marks055@... | 10/12/09
Glad to cap for comcast  Fletchguy | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  jmgdalton | 10/12/09
I can only WISH for broadband, sigh  itsme@... | 10/12/09
Price?  Fletchguy | 10/12/09
re: Price?  sir_cheats_alot@... | 10/12/09
And you're right...  Thunderbuck | 10/12/09
me too.  sir_cheats_alot@... | 10/12/09
Broadband...  rm6565 | 10/12/09
Fact of the matter is  Michael Kelly | 10/12/09
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RE: Optical storage: RIP  arkware | 10/12/09
You forgot archival storage  scott1329 | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  skyedrummer | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  xbjllb | 10/12/09
What replaces Blu-Ray...  dave@... | 10/13/09
I rather buy a hard drive for backing things up  Randalllind | 10/12/09
Best backup methods...  Narg | 10/12/09
Put hard drive in another house  ashepard@... | 10/12/09
Offsite backup...  Narg | 10/12/09
That's Probably The Absolute Worst Idea Ever  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 10/12/09
Online backup  Narg | 10/12/09
I have nothing against...  dave@... | 10/13/09
Right you are!  flboffin | 10/12/09
Optical is not going anywhere....  condelirios | 10/12/09
Movies...  Narg | 10/12/09
You're confused  dave@... | 10/13/09
More research  trent1 | 10/12/09
Uhh the missing link?  stonehenge@... | 10/12/09
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RE: Optical storage: RIP  PC Repair | 10/12/09
Hot topic, yeah  bgrove777 | 10/12/09
Iomega Zip not "insanely popular" - more like "insanely expensive"  dave_helmut | 10/12/09
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Blue Ray Flaws in General  RS_1 | 10/12/09
I totally agee  OhKrud | 10/12/09
Well, yeah...  dave@... | 10/13/09
You're missing history here..  dave@... | 10/13/09
Don't rely on optical  Narg | 10/12/09
No  Onideus_Mad_Hatter | 10/12/09
Zooming in...  Narg | 10/12/09
So because we didn't have the ability to zoom before  Michael Kelly | 10/12/09
There are those storage vendors: FAST LTA!  Bart-Jan | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  tentaro@... | 10/12/09
New FileSystem needed for SSD (SSD-FS, perhaps?)  dave_helmut | 10/12/09
Flash file systems have been around for awhile in embedded systems  matt.eagar | 10/12/09
Optical storage does not have to be spinning disk  Professor8 | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  remoran@... | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  ScottyJavea | 10/12/09
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This article is actually vague and misguiding.  Qix77 | 10/12/09
RIP, or not  rightwingnutter | 10/12/09
I have to agree ...  mwagner@... | 10/12/09
Digital Distribution is cool and all, but...  wcecsharp@... | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  pwn0tr0n | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  jjourard | 10/12/09
Untill some one comes out with a Tera Byte capacity.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/12/09
I just wish quality wouldn't die with it  Breetai | 10/12/09
I've been through all of those!  DataFerret | 10/12/09
My Iomega ZIP 100 died the Click Of Death...  chas_2 | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  emaher@... | 10/12/09
Really crap article actually.  miker00lz | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  birdmaniw | 10/12/09
They really aren't...  dave@... | 10/13/09
Media cost-a mini historical perspective  larry@... | 10/13/09
Aren't we talking about two different things?  mwagner@... | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  jrbeaman | 10/12/09
Magnetic media is all but dead...  JM1981 | 10/12/09
What is "oreliability" with two dots on top of "o?"  Grayson Peddie | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  magosilvan | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP/BRAVO! on your argument  larry@... | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  akaralia | 10/12/09
There's 'dead' and dead.  wizodd@... | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  Silvermane | 10/12/09
Store your CD-Rs in the dark  Jack-Booted EULA | 10/12/09
Zip disks are actually very long lived!  ximhot | 10/12/09
Online Storage Will Win.  rm6565 | 10/12/09
I'll listen to your opinion  A.Lizard | 10/12/09
I'm not so convinced  wheres_my_stuff | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  flapinux | 10/12/09
Umm...  dave@... | 10/13/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  jeff.fostermedia@... | 10/12/09
Long live optical media  phatkat | 10/12/09
Online backup storage?  A.Lizard | 10/12/09
"... will let you download it again"  grail@... | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  JRude | 10/12/09
You're dead wrong, Mr. Harris, and here's why  Tony R. | 10/12/09
You MUST be overstating some of the Failure Rates  mejohnsn | 10/12/09
Not time to retire optical at home-YET!  arthurhaglund@... | 10/12/09
Better burned plastic than magnetized transistors  Karakasa | 10/12/09
Optical Storage not RIP  DDSCentral | 10/12/09
Discs Not Dead Yet  alain@... | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  kevsan | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  mejohnsn | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  bgavin | 10/12/09
Yup...  dave@... | 10/13/09
Long-term photo storage  tony.stieber@... | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  Arnett | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  Sabatian Hiddink | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  sedelson | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  JD_Mortal | 10/12/09
Your 10 Layer Blu Ray Disc Can Happen  gccradioscience@... | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  rdhalsteatzd | 10/12/09
RE: Anyone want to buy a vintage USB Zip drive?  pyropakjim@... | 10/12/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  the-toon | 10/12/09
Optical won't die, but will become niche  JasonJD48 | 10/12/09
Hmmmmm  didier.m.rousseau@... | 10/13/09
HDDs  JasonJD48 | 10/13/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  rwwriley@... | 10/13/09
CNC memory in yards  ZEEK0 | 10/13/09
No, not quite  dave@... | 10/13/09
There are no options actually  green alien | 10/13/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  dave@... | 10/13/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  AndyPagin | 10/13/09
You never heard...  dave@... | 10/13/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  tom@... | 10/13/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  alewisa | 10/13/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  deowll | 10/13/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  deowll | 10/13/09
Optical Storage Ahead of its Time  tomam | 10/14/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  NCWeber | 10/14/09
I haven't burned a CD in years  voska1 | 10/14/09
HUGE assumption #1  IslandBoy_77 | 10/14/09
I'm still using zip disks  LeonBA | 10/16/09
BD prices ARE coming down.. FAST!  Herrie | 10/17/09
Prices...  Narg | 10/18/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  shanedr | 10/18/09
RE: Optical storage: RIP  alkanshel | 10/19/09

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